shipperx: (Spike- Dru - fascination)
Okay, I haven't watched the show before. Am watching for you know who. But the most amusing thing thus far is my squinting and going... "I know this actor from somewhere..."

So so far I've identified...
Eric Stoltz (duh)
'Jason Street' from Friday Night Lights
'Attia' from Rome
'Trixie' from Deadwood

And of course, Spike...
shipperx: (Spike- Dru - fascination)
Okay, I haven't watched the show before. Am watching for you know who. But the most amusing thing thus far is my squinting and going... "I know this actor from somewhere..."

So so far I've identified...
Eric Stoltz (duh)
'Jason Street' from Friday Night Lights
'Attia' from Rome
'Trixie' from Deadwood

And of course, Spike...
shipperx: (Spike- Dru - fascination)
Okay, I haven't watched the show before. Am watching for you know who. But the most amusing thing thus far is my squinting and going... "I know this actor from somewhere..."

So so far I've identified...
Eric Stoltz (duh)
'Jason Street' from Friday Night Lights
'Attia' from Rome
'Trixie' from Deadwood

And of course, Spike...
shipperx: (Fallen From Grace)
People with ongoing (IMO irrational) JM hatred annoy me. Jeez, people can squee about an actor if they want to and...

1) It doesn't make them batshit fangirls
2) It doesn't actually harm anyone else.

He didn't kill your puppies so what's with the melodramatic eyerolls of hatred? His getting a guest spot ruins someone's day? Think that might be a tad overly dramatic? Guess the poor actor should stop trying to find work, even a guest spot, because he might annoy someone. Or am I to really buy that he might sully Torchwood's artistic virtue. I mean, Capt. Jack is worth some squee but, dude, it's a show with cheesy pterodactyls and femmebots. Rusty himself admitted that Season 1 wasn't exactly stellar. How about a little perspective?

(Also, FYI, he can't rid himself of his cheekbones, so he isn't trying to personally offend anyone by having them and he's not shoving them in anyone's face.)

If I sound particular annoyed, let me admit that I haven't been feeling well. I have a pinched nerve in my back, so I'm grouchy this evening in general. This just added to a pre-existing state of irk.
shipperx: (Fallen From Grace)
People with ongoing (IMO irrational) JM hatred annoy me. Jeez, people can squee about an actor if they want to and...

1) It doesn't make them batshit fangirls
2) It doesn't actually harm anyone else.

He didn't kill your puppies so what's with the melodramatic eyerolls of hatred? His getting a guest spot ruins someone's day? Think that might be a tad overly dramatic? Guess the poor actor should stop trying to find work, even a guest spot, because he might annoy someone. Or am I to really buy that he might sully Torchwood's artistic virtue. I mean, Capt. Jack is worth some squee but, dude, it's a show with cheesy pterodactyls and femmebots. Rusty himself admitted that Season 1 wasn't exactly stellar. How about a little perspective?

(Also, FYI, he can't rid himself of his cheekbones, so he isn't trying to personally offend anyone by having them and he's not shoving them in anyone's face.)

If I sound particular annoyed, let me admit that I haven't been feeling well. I have a pinched nerve in my back, so I'm grouchy this evening in general. This just added to a pre-existing state of irk.
shipperx: (Fallen From Grace)
People with ongoing (IMO irrational) JM hatred annoy me. Jeez, people can squee about an actor if they want to and...

1) It doesn't make them batshit fangirls
2) It doesn't actually harm anyone else.

He didn't kill your puppies so what's with the melodramatic eyerolls of hatred? His getting a guest spot ruins someone's day? Think that might be a tad overly dramatic? Guess the poor actor should stop trying to find work, even a guest spot, because he might annoy someone. Or am I to really buy that he might sully Torchwood's artistic virtue. I mean, Capt. Jack is worth some squee but, dude, it's a show with cheesy pterodactyls and femmebots. Rusty himself admitted that Season 1 wasn't exactly stellar. How about a little perspective?

(Also, FYI, he can't rid himself of his cheekbones, so he isn't trying to personally offend anyone by having them and he's not shoving them in anyone's face.)

If I sound particular annoyed, let me admit that I haven't been feeling well. I have a pinched nerve in my back, so I'm grouchy this evening in general. This just added to a pre-existing state of irk.

Epilogue

Feb. 20th, 2007 12:00 pm
shipperx: (Fallen From Grace)

While reading the reviews for Joss's Season 8 comics and this thread on shipping over in 

[profile] germaine_pet's journal, I've found myself thinking about the post-show Whedonverse and where (in my head) the characters sort of ended up.  I'm not talking about fanfic.  I can spin many a fanfic post-BtVS/post-AtS in my head.  I can enjoy a ton of different alternatives in others fanfics.  Many, many outcomes are possible. . . but I don't think they're all equally likely.  Besides, most fanfics center around a "what would happen if this happened" plot bunny.  And, again, many, many things are possible.

 

 

Epilogue

Feb. 20th, 2007 12:00 pm
shipperx: (Fallen From Grace)

While reading the reviews for Joss's Season 8 comics and this thread on shipping over in 

[profile] germaine_pet's journal, I've found myself thinking about the post-show Whedonverse and where (in my head) the characters sort of ended up.  I'm not talking about fanfic.  I can spin many a fanfic post-BtVS/post-AtS in my head.  I can enjoy a ton of different alternatives in others fanfics.  Many, many outcomes are possible. . . but I don't think they're all equally likely.  Besides, most fanfics center around a "what would happen if this happened" plot bunny.  And, again, many, many things are possible.

 

 

Epilogue

Feb. 20th, 2007 12:00 pm
shipperx: (Fallen From Grace)

While reading the reviews for Joss's Season 8 comics and this thread on shipping over in 

[profile] germaine_pet's journal, I've found myself thinking about the post-show Whedonverse and where (in my head) the characters sort of ended up.  I'm not talking about fanfic.  I can spin many a fanfic post-BtVS/post-AtS in my head.  I can enjoy a ton of different alternatives in others fanfics.  Many, many outcomes are possible. . . but I don't think they're all equally likely.  Besides, most fanfics center around a "what would happen if this happened" plot bunny.  And, again, many, many things are possible.

 

 

shipperx: (Spike - Beneath You)
Today, [livejournal.com profile] st_salieri referenced an old post by [livejournal.com profile] swsa. I remember when [livejournal.com profile] swsa made the original post, the same comment that [livejournal.com profile] st_salieri referenced was the one that caught my eye...and broke my heart a little.

This is totally bringing up one of my fandom pet peeves, wherein I think I've managed to ship the *only* couple in creation where it's not allowed to just state the love as if it's a foregone conclusion. But if I say Buffy loves Spike without explanation, justification, and shooting script quotes, I've got a debate on my hands. Even though, I've got mutual "I love you's" and third party confirmation on my side.


The reason reading the statement hurt a little was mainly because it's true. It is tiresome that any discussion of Spuffy comes with a need to write a dissertation... and that's just within the Spike and Spuffy fandoms. If one ventures into the broader BtVS fandom, it can become decidedly more difficult and warlike. I tend to steer clear of the larger fandom anti-Spike/anti-redemption/anti-Spuffy wars because, as I said in the comments of one of [livejournal.com profile] rahirah's posts about a fandom kerfuffle about Spike and Spuffy fanfic (specifically regarding soulless redemption stories), I think that it serves no real purpose to try to marginalize anyone's fanfic genre. It's fanfic. We all have differing perspectives on these things. The only thing that really frustrates me at this point is people spouting "can't" and "shouldn't," because the canon text is over. We all saw it. We just came away with differing interpretations of it. That's not going to change, so can't we all agree to live and let live? It's fanfic. There's room for everyone to have what they want and have their own view of the show reinforced. We don't have to agree, but it would be nice to peacefully co-exist.

Which isn't to say that I don't find debates interesting, I do find them interesting (and I'm easily drawn into them). Read more... )
shipperx: (Spike - Beneath You)
Today, [livejournal.com profile] st_salieri referenced an old post by [livejournal.com profile] swsa. I remember when [livejournal.com profile] swsa made the original post, the same comment that [livejournal.com profile] st_salieri referenced was the one that caught my eye...and broke my heart a little.

This is totally bringing up one of my fandom pet peeves, wherein I think I've managed to ship the *only* couple in creation where it's not allowed to just state the love as if it's a foregone conclusion. But if I say Buffy loves Spike without explanation, justification, and shooting script quotes, I've got a debate on my hands. Even though, I've got mutual "I love you's" and third party confirmation on my side.


The reason reading the statement hurt a little was mainly because it's true. It is tiresome that any discussion of Spuffy comes with a need to write a dissertation... and that's just within the Spike and Spuffy fandoms. If one ventures into the broader BtVS fandom, it can become decidedly more difficult and warlike. I tend to steer clear of the larger fandom anti-Spike/anti-redemption/anti-Spuffy wars because, as I said in the comments of one of [livejournal.com profile] rahirah's posts about a fandom kerfuffle about Spike and Spuffy fanfic (specifically regarding soulless redemption stories), I think that it serves no real purpose to try to marginalize anyone's fanfic genre. It's fanfic. We all have differing perspectives on these things. The only thing that really frustrates me at this point is people spouting "can't" and "shouldn't," because the canon text is over. We all saw it. We just came away with differing interpretations of it. That's not going to change, so can't we all agree to live and let live? It's fanfic. There's room for everyone to have what they want and have their own view of the show reinforced. We don't have to agree, but it would be nice to peacefully co-exist.

Which isn't to say that I don't find debates interesting, I do find them interesting (and I'm easily drawn into them). Read more... )
shipperx: (Spike - Beneath You)
Today, [livejournal.com profile] st_salieri referenced an old post by [livejournal.com profile] swsa. I remember when [livejournal.com profile] swsa made the original post, the same comment that [livejournal.com profile] st_salieri referenced was the one that caught my eye...and broke my heart a little.

This is totally bringing up one of my fandom pet peeves, wherein I think I've managed to ship the *only* couple in creation where it's not allowed to just state the love as if it's a foregone conclusion. But if I say Buffy loves Spike without explanation, justification, and shooting script quotes, I've got a debate on my hands. Even though, I've got mutual "I love you's" and third party confirmation on my side.


The reason reading the statement hurt a little was mainly because it's true. It is tiresome that any discussion of Spuffy comes with a need to write a dissertation... and that's just within the Spike and Spuffy fandoms. If one ventures into the broader BtVS fandom, it can become decidedly more difficult and warlike. I tend to steer clear of the larger fandom anti-Spike/anti-redemption/anti-Spuffy wars because, as I said in the comments of one of [livejournal.com profile] rahirah's posts about a fandom kerfuffle about Spike and Spuffy fanfic (specifically regarding soulless redemption stories), I think that it serves no real purpose to try to marginalize anyone's fanfic genre. It's fanfic. We all have differing perspectives on these things. The only thing that really frustrates me at this point is people spouting "can't" and "shouldn't," because the canon text is over. We all saw it. We just came away with differing interpretations of it. That's not going to change, so can't we all agree to live and let live? It's fanfic. There's room for everyone to have what they want and have their own view of the show reinforced. We don't have to agree, but it would be nice to peacefully co-exist.

Which isn't to say that I don't find debates interesting, I do find them interesting (and I'm easily drawn into them). Read more... )

JM Clip

Oct. 26th, 2005 09:13 am
shipperx: (carrie - squee)

Okay, I admit it.  The only reason I TiVo Smallville is for JM.  And Spikeylover has a link to a clip from this coming Thursday's Smallville that makes me squee!  Oh, that's just so damn fun.  It reminds me of the Spike/Buffy pool scene in Fool for Love.  So cool. 

Anyway, delicious JM video clip

JM Clip

Oct. 26th, 2005 09:13 am
shipperx: (carrie - squee)

Okay, I admit it.  The only reason I TiVo Smallville is for JM.  And Spikeylover has a link to a clip from this coming Thursday's Smallville that makes me squee!  Oh, that's just so damn fun.  It reminds me of the Spike/Buffy pool scene in Fool for Love.  So cool. 

Anyway, delicious JM video clip

JM Clip

Oct. 26th, 2005 09:13 am
shipperx: (carrie - squee)

Okay, I admit it.  The only reason I TiVo Smallville is for JM.  And Spikeylover has a link to a clip from this coming Thursday's Smallville that makes me squee!  Oh, that's just so damn fun.  It reminds me of the Spike/Buffy pool scene in Fool for Love.  So cool. 

Anyway, delicious JM video clip

shipperx: (Spike- Dru - fascination)
Apparently at the Edinburgh Festival Q&A Joss was asked about the whole Spike Movie thing {insert usual Jossian wankage here. No real info we didn't know} except that he referred to it as putting together a writing team, so maybe he isn't just speaking to Minear? Here's hoping that Jane E is involved. (She worked with Minear on The Inside, right?). And I think Drew Goddard has been claiming that he has been begging Joss, so it wouldn't be a horrible thing to have Mr. Show Continuity Guy involved. . . that is if anything ever comes of this. And, frankly, at this point I still refuse to commit to it.

What will happen will happen. And what won't...won't.

ETA If anything truly concerns me about a possible Spike movie, it's that it's really doomed to disappointment in most quarters because it's not just the BtVS fandom that's fractured. The Spike fandom is fractured. I constantly find myself taking devil's advocate (or just plain arguing) positions on many story points with many people. I've seen posts of Spike fans declaring that a possible Spike movie "must respect Spike's love for Buffy". Okay, define respect. I think acknowleging Buffy as a great love (for Spike) that never worked out is respect. (I consider Spuffy to basically be over. Not all love stories get happy endings. Spuffy didn't. Neither did Bangel, BTW. We saw the end and it was Chosen and we saw the epilogue and that was The Girl in Question.) Still that's my personal POV. Most wanting "respect the Spuffy" tend to mean "reinforce Spuffy and maybe give it a hint of a happy ending, have Spike still committed to Buffy"... to which my reaction (and I'm sure some other fraction of fans) is "Oh, HELL NO! Let the poor vamp move on already!" (For myself, it doesn't even make logical sense for Spike to cling to Spuffy, because as much as people can debate whether or not Buffy did love Spike, the cold hard fact of the matter is that SPIKE didn't believe her. Plus, he knows she moved on with The Immortal. It would be kind of pathetic if all these years later he is still unable to move on. In my head, that's not romantic. That's sad.)

I'm not arguing what's a right or wrong concerning Spike, just that there are radically different views of what's appropriate for the character. It's almost laughable how completely Alane (on BAPS) and I disagree on possible Spike stories. I remember her being very upset about the whole Halfrek=Cecily thing in the PAD comic while I'm not only not upset about PAD choosing Cecily=Halfrek in a comic, but I am also writing a Halfrek=Cecily story. There's been a long debate on BAPS about whether a Spike movie should have Dru in it (in any capacity, mind you) and again loud pronouncements of "No! No way!" I honestly find it perplexing. Spike is something over 150 years old... 120 of which he spent with Dru. Yet there's the idea in some quarters that Dru isn't a 'personal' issue for Spike? What-huh? And again, I have to laugh because somewhere in my pile of languishing fic is the concept of a Post-NFA story with Dru/Spike/Illyria (and Angel) because I find the idea compelling.

It just goes to show how radically different people's concepts are. There's absolutely no way that any real Spike movie could fit the increasingly fractured Spike fandom's fancy. With canon gone, everyone has carved their own little niche where they themselves play (if they're still interested in Spike at all). A new canon movie isn't tailored to satisfy all these narrow, niche markets. Basically, at this point is there any way to satisfy Spike fans? I fear the answer is no.

ETA II: Rewatched the Sex in the City episodes on TBS last night where Carrie discovers Big in the Hamptons, having moved back from Paris without telling her, followed by the episode where he tells her that he's engaged. (Classic example of a guy saying he didn't want to commit which translated to "not wanting to commit to you") Anyway, I like those eps, but the irksome thing of the ending of the ep concerning Big's engagement was that really should have been the end of it. Despite the set-up of the Sex finale that made it superficially seem okay that she ended up with Big, she REALLY should never have become involved with him again. He really treated her terribly in earlier seasons. Really, this "true, destined love" and "soulmates" crap that TV tries to sell is...well... crap. Either it's a good relationship where people care about each other and thus it's a lasting one, or it's not. Nothing is destined, and there's a point where you've really broken someone else's heart too many times to be trusted with it yet again. Blech.
shipperx: (Spike- Dru - fascination)
Apparently at the Edinburgh Festival Q&A Joss was asked about the whole Spike Movie thing {insert usual Jossian wankage here. No real info we didn't know} except that he referred to it as putting together a writing team, so maybe he isn't just speaking to Minear? Here's hoping that Jane E is involved. (She worked with Minear on The Inside, right?). And I think Drew Goddard has been claiming that he has been begging Joss, so it wouldn't be a horrible thing to have Mr. Show Continuity Guy involved. . . that is if anything ever comes of this. And, frankly, at this point I still refuse to commit to it.

What will happen will happen. And what won't...won't.

ETA If anything truly concerns me about a possible Spike movie, it's that it's really doomed to disappointment in most quarters because it's not just the BtVS fandom that's fractured. The Spike fandom is fractured. I constantly find myself taking devil's advocate (or just plain arguing) positions on many story points with many people. I've seen posts of Spike fans declaring that a possible Spike movie "must respect Spike's love for Buffy". Okay, define respect. I think acknowleging Buffy as a great love (for Spike) that never worked out is respect. (I consider Spuffy to basically be over. Not all love stories get happy endings. Spuffy didn't. Neither did Bangel, BTW. We saw the end and it was Chosen and we saw the epilogue and that was The Girl in Question.) Still that's my personal POV. Most wanting "respect the Spuffy" tend to mean "reinforce Spuffy and maybe give it a hint of a happy ending, have Spike still committed to Buffy"... to which my reaction (and I'm sure some other fraction of fans) is "Oh, HELL NO! Let the poor vamp move on already!" (For myself, it doesn't even make logical sense for Spike to cling to Spuffy, because as much as people can debate whether or not Buffy did love Spike, the cold hard fact of the matter is that SPIKE didn't believe her. Plus, he knows she moved on with The Immortal. It would be kind of pathetic if all these years later he is still unable to move on. In my head, that's not romantic. That's sad.)

I'm not arguing what's a right or wrong concerning Spike, just that there are radically different views of what's appropriate for the character. It's almost laughable how completely Alane (on BAPS) and I disagree on possible Spike stories. I remember her being very upset about the whole Halfrek=Cecily thing in the PAD comic while I'm not only not upset about PAD choosing Cecily=Halfrek in a comic, but I am also writing a Halfrek=Cecily story. There's been a long debate on BAPS about whether a Spike movie should have Dru in it (in any capacity, mind you) and again loud pronouncements of "No! No way!" I honestly find it perplexing. Spike is something over 150 years old... 120 of which he spent with Dru. Yet there's the idea in some quarters that Dru isn't a 'personal' issue for Spike? What-huh? And again, I have to laugh because somewhere in my pile of languishing fic is the concept of a Post-NFA story with Dru/Spike/Illyria (and Angel) because I find the idea compelling.

It just goes to show how radically different people's concepts are. There's absolutely no way that any real Spike movie could fit the increasingly fractured Spike fandom's fancy. With canon gone, everyone has carved their own little niche where they themselves play (if they're still interested in Spike at all). A new canon movie isn't tailored to satisfy all these narrow, niche markets. Basically, at this point is there any way to satisfy Spike fans? I fear the answer is no.

ETA II: Rewatched the Sex in the City episodes on TBS last night where Carrie discovers Big in the Hamptons, having moved back from Paris without telling her, followed by the episode where he tells her that he's engaged. (Classic example of a guy saying he didn't want to commit which translated to "not wanting to commit to you") Anyway, I like those eps, but the irksome thing of the ending of the ep concerning Big's engagement was that really should have been the end of it. Despite the set-up of the Sex finale that made it superficially seem okay that she ended up with Big, she REALLY should never have become involved with him again. He really treated her terribly in earlier seasons. Really, this "true, destined love" and "soulmates" crap that TV tries to sell is...well... crap. Either it's a good relationship where people care about each other and thus it's a lasting one, or it's not. Nothing is destined, and there's a point where you've really broken someone else's heart too many times to be trusted with it yet again. Blech.

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