Oct. 17th, 2011

shipperx: (beautiful disaster)
Long before Doctor Who did a sad episode about him, Van Gogh has always made me sad.  He seems to be the definition of tragic genius.  And, if this research happens to be true, this just makes me feel more sadness for the man. :

From BBC News:

Van Gogh Did Not Kill Himself, authors claim


Steven Naifeh and Gregory White Smith say that, contrary to popular belief, it was more likely he was shot accidentally by two boys he knew who had "a malfunctioning gun".

The authors came to their conclusion after 10 years of study with more than 20 translators and researchers.

The Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam called the claim "dramatic" and "intriguing". In a statement, however, curator Leo Jansen said "plenty of questions remain unanswered" and that it would be "premature to rule out suicide". He added that the new claims would "generate a great deal of discussion".

Van Gogh died in Auvers-sur-Oise, France, in 1890 aged 37.

It has long been thought that he shot himself in a wheat field before returning to the inn where he later died. But author Steven Naifeh said it was "very clear to us that he did not go into the wheat fields with the intention of shooting himself".

"The accepted understanding of what happened in Auvers among the people who knew him was that he was killed accidentally by a couple of boys and he decided to protect them by accepting the blame." In a short chapter at the end of the book, the authors start to make their case that Vincent van Gogh was shot by a 16-year old boy called Rene Secretan. On why he would cover for the boys, the authors reasoned, "because Vincent welcomed death" and didn't want to drag the brothers "into the glare of public enquiry…"

They lavish praise on their two main sources and pay little heed to the one person who was definitely there - Vincent van Gogh - when he quite clearly said: "Do not accuse anyone... it is I who wanted to kill myself."

As they admit in the book, the truth of the matter is that, "surprisingly little is known about the incident". Which leaves, of course, plenty of room for conjecture.

He said that renowned art historian John Rewald had recorded that version of events when he visited Auvers in the 1930s and other details were found that corroborated the theory. They include the assertion that the bullet entered Van Gogh's upper abdomen from an oblique angle - not straight on as might be expected from a suicide.

"These two boys, one of whom was wearing a cowboy outfit and had a malfunctioning gun that he played cowboy with, were known to go drinking at that hour of day with Vincent.

"So you have a couple of teenagers who have a malfunctioning gun, you have a boy who likes to play cowboy, you have three people probably all of whom had too much to drink."

He said "accidental homicide" was "far more likely".

"It's really hard to imagine that if either of these two boys was the one holding the gun - which is probably more likely than not - it's very hard to imagine that they really intended to kill this painter."

Gregory White Smith, meanwhile, said Van Gogh did not "actively seek death but that when it came to him, or when it presented itself as a possibility, he embraced it". He said Van Gogh's acceptance of death was "really done as an act of love to his brother, to whom he was a burden".

He said Van Gogh's brother, Theo, was funding the artist who, at that time, "wasn't selling".

Other revelations claimed by the authors include that:

* Van Gogh's family tried to commit him to a mental asylum long before his voluntary confinement later
* Van Gogh's affliction, viewed as a mix of mania and depression, was a result of a form of epilepsy

Gregory White Smith said the biography, published on Monday, helped to give a greater understanding of a "frail and flawed figure" and that his art would be seen "as even more of an achievement".
shipperx: (beautiful disaster)
Long before Doctor Who did a sad episode about him, Van Gogh has always made me sad.  He seems to be the definition of tragic genius.  And, if this research happens to be true, this just makes me feel more sadness for the man. :

From BBC News:

Van Gogh Did Not Kill Himself, authors claim


Steven Naifeh and Gregory White Smith say that, contrary to popular belief, it was more likely he was shot accidentally by two boys he knew who had "a malfunctioning gun".

The authors came to their conclusion after 10 years of study with more than 20 translators and researchers.

The Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam called the claim "dramatic" and "intriguing". In a statement, however, curator Leo Jansen said "plenty of questions remain unanswered" and that it would be "premature to rule out suicide". He added that the new claims would "generate a great deal of discussion".

Van Gogh died in Auvers-sur-Oise, France, in 1890 aged 37.

It has long been thought that he shot himself in a wheat field before returning to the inn where he later died. But author Steven Naifeh said it was "very clear to us that he did not go into the wheat fields with the intention of shooting himself".

"The accepted understanding of what happened in Auvers among the people who knew him was that he was killed accidentally by a couple of boys and he decided to protect them by accepting the blame." In a short chapter at the end of the book, the authors start to make their case that Vincent van Gogh was shot by a 16-year old boy called Rene Secretan. On why he would cover for the boys, the authors reasoned, "because Vincent welcomed death" and didn't want to drag the brothers "into the glare of public enquiry…"

They lavish praise on their two main sources and pay little heed to the one person who was definitely there - Vincent van Gogh - when he quite clearly said: "Do not accuse anyone... it is I who wanted to kill myself."

As they admit in the book, the truth of the matter is that, "surprisingly little is known about the incident". Which leaves, of course, plenty of room for conjecture.

He said that renowned art historian John Rewald had recorded that version of events when he visited Auvers in the 1930s and other details were found that corroborated the theory. They include the assertion that the bullet entered Van Gogh's upper abdomen from an oblique angle - not straight on as might be expected from a suicide.

"These two boys, one of whom was wearing a cowboy outfit and had a malfunctioning gun that he played cowboy with, were known to go drinking at that hour of day with Vincent.

"So you have a couple of teenagers who have a malfunctioning gun, you have a boy who likes to play cowboy, you have three people probably all of whom had too much to drink."

He said "accidental homicide" was "far more likely".

"It's really hard to imagine that if either of these two boys was the one holding the gun - which is probably more likely than not - it's very hard to imagine that they really intended to kill this painter."

Gregory White Smith, meanwhile, said Van Gogh did not "actively seek death but that when it came to him, or when it presented itself as a possibility, he embraced it". He said Van Gogh's acceptance of death was "really done as an act of love to his brother, to whom he was a burden".

He said Van Gogh's brother, Theo, was funding the artist who, at that time, "wasn't selling".

Other revelations claimed by the authors include that:

* Van Gogh's family tried to commit him to a mental asylum long before his voluntary confinement later
* Van Gogh's affliction, viewed as a mix of mania and depression, was a result of a form of epilepsy

Gregory White Smith said the biography, published on Monday, helped to give a greater understanding of a "frail and flawed figure" and that his art would be seen "as even more of an achievement".
shipperx: (beautiful disaster)
Long before Doctor Who did a sad episode about him, Van Gogh has always made me sad.  He seems to be the definition of tragic genius.  And, if this research happens to be true, this just makes me feel more sadness for the man. :

From BBC News:

Van Gogh Did Not Kill Himself, authors claim


Steven Naifeh and Gregory White Smith say that, contrary to popular belief, it was more likely he was shot accidentally by two boys he knew who had "a malfunctioning gun".

The authors came to their conclusion after 10 years of study with more than 20 translators and researchers.

The Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam called the claim "dramatic" and "intriguing". In a statement, however, curator Leo Jansen said "plenty of questions remain unanswered" and that it would be "premature to rule out suicide". He added that the new claims would "generate a great deal of discussion".

Van Gogh died in Auvers-sur-Oise, France, in 1890 aged 37.

It has long been thought that he shot himself in a wheat field before returning to the inn where he later died. But author Steven Naifeh said it was "very clear to us that he did not go into the wheat fields with the intention of shooting himself".

"The accepted understanding of what happened in Auvers among the people who knew him was that he was killed accidentally by a couple of boys and he decided to protect them by accepting the blame." In a short chapter at the end of the book, the authors start to make their case that Vincent van Gogh was shot by a 16-year old boy called Rene Secretan. On why he would cover for the boys, the authors reasoned, "because Vincent welcomed death" and didn't want to drag the brothers "into the glare of public enquiry…"

They lavish praise on their two main sources and pay little heed to the one person who was definitely there - Vincent van Gogh - when he quite clearly said: "Do not accuse anyone... it is I who wanted to kill myself."

As they admit in the book, the truth of the matter is that, "surprisingly little is known about the incident". Which leaves, of course, plenty of room for conjecture.

He said that renowned art historian John Rewald had recorded that version of events when he visited Auvers in the 1930s and other details were found that corroborated the theory. They include the assertion that the bullet entered Van Gogh's upper abdomen from an oblique angle - not straight on as might be expected from a suicide.

"These two boys, one of whom was wearing a cowboy outfit and had a malfunctioning gun that he played cowboy with, were known to go drinking at that hour of day with Vincent.

"So you have a couple of teenagers who have a malfunctioning gun, you have a boy who likes to play cowboy, you have three people probably all of whom had too much to drink."

He said "accidental homicide" was "far more likely".

"It's really hard to imagine that if either of these two boys was the one holding the gun - which is probably more likely than not - it's very hard to imagine that they really intended to kill this painter."

Gregory White Smith, meanwhile, said Van Gogh did not "actively seek death but that when it came to him, or when it presented itself as a possibility, he embraced it". He said Van Gogh's acceptance of death was "really done as an act of love to his brother, to whom he was a burden".

He said Van Gogh's brother, Theo, was funding the artist who, at that time, "wasn't selling".

Other revelations claimed by the authors include that:

* Van Gogh's family tried to commit him to a mental asylum long before his voluntary confinement later
* Van Gogh's affliction, viewed as a mix of mania and depression, was a result of a form of epilepsy

Gregory White Smith said the biography, published on Monday, helped to give a greater understanding of a "frail and flawed figure" and that his art would be seen "as even more of an achievement".
shipperx: (gas)
Boy, reading this TVGuide "Ask Matt" question brought on a sense of deja vu:

Question: I had a question about the concept of the bad boy. I watch The Vampire Diaries religiously, and I enjoy the character of Damon. I understand that he is a vampire and his very nature is evil, and I also understand that he longs to be more caring and loving, especially with Elena. However, I remain convinced that Elena's best love interest is Stefan. Even though Damon has shown some redeeming qualities, he mostly has tried to kill everyone Elena loves (sometimes accomplishing it), used her friend for blood and sex and forced her to drink his blood so she would turn into a vampire if she died. I am not sure how anyone could root for them as a couple. This trend of wanting the heroine of a show to be with the bad boy instead of the decent guy is upsetting. We see it on True Blood and that show from last year, Life Unexpected. I think it shows young girls that you should strive to be with the bad boy because he is more exciting and overlook all the horrible things he has done to you and others. People may think Stefan is boring, but he respects Elena and would never do anything to intentionally hurt her despite his vampire nature. — Rachel


Okay, here's the thing. I don't have a horse in the "Who wins Sookie" or the "Who wins Elena" debate. Either way, eh. Whatever as far as I'm concerned. And the truth is I seem to like Bill more than most of fandom does... and I've gotten the impression that I like Stefan better than most of fandom does as well.

But, doing a compare and contrast of "my vampire is better than your vampire" contest is always ridiculous be it Stefan/Damon, Bill/Eric, or Angel/Spike. If you want to compare crimes... they're both awful! They have both done terrible things. A whole hell of a lot of them. Just go ahead and admit that you have a preference. The opinion, is based on preference. It just is. Neither are going to win the "perfect boyfriend" award... nor should they because these shows are based on conflict. So no, the one who broods artistically over his sins and cast as hero isn't 'better' than the one who quips sarcastic and hides a woobie heart and is cast as anti-hero. They're both pretty traditional character archetypes and in these cases -- they're both vampires! Okay? Pick the one you like, but a complimentary 'mine-is-the-bestest-and-most-moral vampire' gift with purchase soap box doesn't come with it.

Just sayin'

Or, to quote Roush's reply: "...if you're looking at these characters to be role models for the young audience, you're barking up the wrong genre."

(I also kind of laugh at what qualified as a 'bad boy' for the questioner if it's including Life Unexpected's Baz... whose great sin as far, as I can tell, was to be a self-absorbed jock in high school and lackadaisical bar owner as an adult... one who willingly took on co-parenting responsibility for a 16 year old child that he before never knew that he had. So... not all that 'bad' is what I'm sayin', not when it's placed alongside a couple hundred years of wanton murder...)
shipperx: (gas)
Boy, reading this TVGuide "Ask Matt" question brought on a sense of deja vu:

Question: I had a question about the concept of the bad boy. I watch The Vampire Diaries religiously, and I enjoy the character of Damon. I understand that he is a vampire and his very nature is evil, and I also understand that he longs to be more caring and loving, especially with Elena. However, I remain convinced that Elena's best love interest is Stefan. Even though Damon has shown some redeeming qualities, he mostly has tried to kill everyone Elena loves (sometimes accomplishing it), used her friend for blood and sex and forced her to drink his blood so she would turn into a vampire if she died. I am not sure how anyone could root for them as a couple. This trend of wanting the heroine of a show to be with the bad boy instead of the decent guy is upsetting. We see it on True Blood and that show from last year, Life Unexpected. I think it shows young girls that you should strive to be with the bad boy because he is more exciting and overlook all the horrible things he has done to you and others. People may think Stefan is boring, but he respects Elena and would never do anything to intentionally hurt her despite his vampire nature. — Rachel


Okay, here's the thing. I don't have a horse in the "Who wins Sookie" or the "Who wins Elena" debate. Either way, eh. Whatever as far as I'm concerned. And the truth is I seem to like Bill more than most of fandom does... and I've gotten the impression that I like Stefan better than most of fandom does as well.

But, doing a compare and contrast of "my vampire is better than your vampire" contest is always ridiculous be it Stefan/Damon, Bill/Eric, or Angel/Spike. If you want to compare crimes... they're both awful! They have both done terrible things. A whole hell of a lot of them. Just go ahead and admit that you have a preference. The opinion, is based on preference. It just is. Neither are going to win the "perfect boyfriend" award... nor should they because these shows are based on conflict. So no, the one who broods artistically over his sins and cast as hero isn't 'better' than the one who quips sarcastic and hides a woobie heart and is cast as anti-hero. They're both pretty traditional character archetypes and in these cases -- they're both vampires! Okay? Pick the one you like, but a complimentary 'mine-is-the-bestest-and-most-moral vampire' gift with purchase soap box doesn't come with it.

Just sayin'

Or, to quote Roush's reply: "...if you're looking at these characters to be role models for the young audience, you're barking up the wrong genre."

(I also kind of laugh at what qualified as a 'bad boy' for the questioner if it's including Life Unexpected's Baz... whose great sin as far, as I can tell, was to be a self-absorbed jock in high school and lackadaisical bar owner as an adult... one who willingly took on co-parenting responsibility for a 16 year old child that he before never knew that he had. So... not all that 'bad' is what I'm sayin', not when it's placed alongside a couple hundred years of wanton murder...)
shipperx: (gas)
Boy, reading this TVGuide "Ask Matt" question brought on a sense of deja vu:

Question: I had a question about the concept of the bad boy. I watch The Vampire Diaries religiously, and I enjoy the character of Damon. I understand that he is a vampire and his very nature is evil, and I also understand that he longs to be more caring and loving, especially with Elena. However, I remain convinced that Elena's best love interest is Stefan. Even though Damon has shown some redeeming qualities, he mostly has tried to kill everyone Elena loves (sometimes accomplishing it), used her friend for blood and sex and forced her to drink his blood so she would turn into a vampire if she died. I am not sure how anyone could root for them as a couple. This trend of wanting the heroine of a show to be with the bad boy instead of the decent guy is upsetting. We see it on True Blood and that show from last year, Life Unexpected. I think it shows young girls that you should strive to be with the bad boy because he is more exciting and overlook all the horrible things he has done to you and others. People may think Stefan is boring, but he respects Elena and would never do anything to intentionally hurt her despite his vampire nature. — Rachel


Okay, here's the thing. I don't have a horse in the "Who wins Sookie" or the "Who wins Elena" debate. Either way, eh. Whatever as far as I'm concerned. And the truth is I seem to like Bill more than most of fandom does... and I've gotten the impression that I like Stefan better than most of fandom does as well.

But, doing a compare and contrast of "my vampire is better than your vampire" contest is always ridiculous be it Stefan/Damon, Bill/Eric, or Angel/Spike. If you want to compare crimes... they're both awful! They have both done terrible things. A whole hell of a lot of them. Just go ahead and admit that you have a preference. The opinion, is based on preference. It just is. Neither are going to win the "perfect boyfriend" award... nor should they because these shows are based on conflict. So no, the one who broods artistically over his sins and cast as hero isn't 'better' than the one who quips sarcastic and hides a woobie heart and is cast as anti-hero. They're both pretty traditional character archetypes and in these cases -- they're both vampires! Okay? Pick the one you like, but a complimentary 'mine-is-the-bestest-and-most-moral vampire' gift with purchase soap box doesn't come with it.

Just sayin'

Or, to quote Roush's reply: "...if you're looking at these characters to be role models for the young audience, you're barking up the wrong genre."

(I also kind of laugh at what qualified as a 'bad boy' for the questioner if it's including Life Unexpected's Baz... whose great sin as far, as I can tell, was to be a self-absorbed jock in high school and lackadaisical bar owner as an adult... one who willingly took on co-parenting responsibility for a 16 year old child that he before never knew that he had. So... not all that 'bad' is what I'm sayin', not when it's placed alongside a couple hundred years of wanton murder...)

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