BtVS: No You Don't, But Thanks For Saying It

Today, st_salieri referenced an old post by swsa. I remember when swsa made the original post, the same comment that st_salieri referenced was the one that caught my eye...and broke my heart a little.

This is totally bringing up one of my fandom pet peeves, wherein I think I've managed to ship the *only* couple in creation where it's not allowed to just state the love as if it's a foregone conclusion. But if I say Buffy loves Spike without explanation, justification, and shooting script quotes, I've got a debate on my hands. Even though, I've got mutual "I love you's" and third party confirmation on my side.

The reason reading the statement hurt a little was mainly because it's true. It is tiresome that any discussion of Spuffy comes with a need to write a dissertation... and that's just within the Spike and Spuffy fandoms. If one ventures into the broader BtVS fandom, it can become decidedly more difficult and warlike. I tend to steer clear of the larger fandom anti-Spike/anti-redemption/anti-Spuffy wars because, as I said in the comments of one of rahirah's posts about a fandom kerfuffle about Spike and Spuffy fanfic (specifically regarding soulless redemption stories), I think that it serves no real purpose to try to marginalize anyone's fanfic genre. It's fanfic. We all have differing perspectives on these things. The only thing that really frustrates me at this point is people spouting "can't" and "shouldn't," because the canon text is over. We all saw it. We just came away with differing interpretations of it. That's not going to change, so can't we all agree to live and let live? It's fanfic. There's room for everyone to have what they want and have their own view of the show reinforced. We don't have to agree, but it would be nice to peacefully co-exist.

Which isn't to say that I don't find debates interesting, I do find them interesting (and I'm easily drawn into them). ( Read more... )

BtVS: No You Don't, But Thanks For Saying It

Today, st_salieri referenced an old post by swsa. I remember when swsa made the original post, the same comment that st_salieri referenced was the one that caught my eye...and broke my heart a little.

This is totally bringing up one of my fandom pet peeves, wherein I think I've managed to ship the *only* couple in creation where it's not allowed to just state the love as if it's a foregone conclusion. But if I say Buffy loves Spike without explanation, justification, and shooting script quotes, I've got a debate on my hands. Even though, I've got mutual "I love you's" and third party confirmation on my side.

The reason reading the statement hurt a little was mainly because it's true. It is tiresome that any discussion of Spuffy comes with a need to write a dissertation... and that's just within the Spike and Spuffy fandoms. If one ventures into the broader BtVS fandom, it can become decidedly more difficult and warlike. I tend to steer clear of the larger fandom anti-Spike/anti-redemption/anti-Spuffy wars because, as I said in the comments of one of rahirah's posts about a fandom kerfuffle about Spike and Spuffy fanfic (specifically regarding soulless redemption stories), I think that it serves no real purpose to try to marginalize anyone's fanfic genre. It's fanfic. We all have differing perspectives on these things. The only thing that really frustrates me at this point is people spouting "can't" and "shouldn't," because the canon text is over. We all saw it. We just came away with differing interpretations of it. That's not going to change, so can't we all agree to live and let live? It's fanfic. There's room for everyone to have what they want and have their own view of the show reinforced. We don't have to agree, but it would be nice to peacefully co-exist.

Which isn't to say that I don't find debates interesting, I do find them interesting (and I'm easily drawn into them). ( Read more... )

BtVS: No You Don't, But Thanks For Saying It

Today, st_salieri referenced an old post by swsa. I remember when swsa made the original post, the same comment that st_salieri referenced was the one that caught my eye...and broke my heart a little.

This is totally bringing up one of my fandom pet peeves, wherein I think I've managed to ship the *only* couple in creation where it's not allowed to just state the love as if it's a foregone conclusion. But if I say Buffy loves Spike without explanation, justification, and shooting script quotes, I've got a debate on my hands. Even though, I've got mutual "I love you's" and third party confirmation on my side.

The reason reading the statement hurt a little was mainly because it's true. It is tiresome that any discussion of Spuffy comes with a need to write a dissertation... and that's just within the Spike and Spuffy fandoms. If one ventures into the broader BtVS fandom, it can become decidedly more difficult and warlike. I tend to steer clear of the larger fandom anti-Spike/anti-redemption/anti-Spuffy wars because, as I said in the comments of one of rahirah's posts about a fandom kerfuffle about Spike and Spuffy fanfic (specifically regarding soulless redemption stories), I think that it serves no real purpose to try to marginalize anyone's fanfic genre. It's fanfic. We all have differing perspectives on these things. The only thing that really frustrates me at this point is people spouting "can't" and "shouldn't," because the canon text is over. We all saw it. We just came away with differing interpretations of it. That's not going to change, so can't we all agree to live and let live? It's fanfic. There's room for everyone to have what they want and have their own view of the show reinforced. We don't have to agree, but it would be nice to peacefully co-exist.

Which isn't to say that I don't find debates interesting, I do find them interesting (and I'm easily drawn into them). ( Read more... )

Health Update

The chicken broth last night was a MISTAKE.

I did make it in to work this morning. I drank one of those atkins shakes for breakfast (they seem to go down okay and have protein and vitamins) and I drank a Tropicana Strawberry/Banana smoothie for lunch. By about 2pm all my energy was gone and I came home early and had a 2hour nap. I did manage to eat maybe a 1/8cp of cream corn this afternoon (yay. Quasi-solid food) and haven't been ill (improvement!). But I only drank another Banana/strawberry smoothie for dinner and I'm completely exhausted again. Oh well, it is improvement even if it's very slow.

Health Update

The chicken broth last night was a MISTAKE.

I did make it in to work this morning. I drank one of those atkins shakes for breakfast (they seem to go down okay and have protein and vitamins) and I drank a Tropicana Strawberry/Banana smoothie for lunch. By about 2pm all my energy was gone and I came home early and had a 2hour nap. I did manage to eat maybe a 1/8cp of cream corn this afternoon (yay. Quasi-solid food) and haven't been ill (improvement!). But I only drank another Banana/strawberry smoothie for dinner and I'm completely exhausted again. Oh well, it is improvement even if it's very slow.

Health Update

The chicken broth last night was a MISTAKE.

I did make it in to work this morning. I drank one of those atkins shakes for breakfast (they seem to go down okay and have protein and vitamins) and I drank a Tropicana Strawberry/Banana smoothie for lunch. By about 2pm all my energy was gone and I came home early and had a 2hour nap. I did manage to eat maybe a 1/8cp of cream corn this afternoon (yay. Quasi-solid food) and haven't been ill (improvement!). But I only drank another Banana/strawberry smoothie for dinner and I'm completely exhausted again. Oh well, it is improvement even if it's very slow.