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In Need of Intellectual Discussion
For fanfic purposes, I'm trying to puzzle out a post-apocalyptic BtVS/AtS world.
A few hypothetical discussion questions:
* What would the world look like in 20 years if The First got what it wanted? The First wanted to take over, to make the world... what, exactly? What did The First actually want? Control? Anarchy? Worshippers? Everyone as its puppets with the sublimation of free will, Sleeper-like zombies, Andrew-like betrayers? What? We assume the world would be full of evil and populated with a Hellmouth quotient of Cro-Mag vampires. But what does The First get out of it? With all of its yak-yak-yak, what kind of world would The First be intent on creating 20 years down the road? The First would probably be more defined by magic/supernatural, I guess. What would the world in the The First's image be?
* Another question. What would the world look like 20 years after Not Fade Away if Wolfram and Hart and the Circle got what they wanted? A world controlled by corrupt lawyers, what would that be? A different sort of apocalypse from most, I would guess. They are corporate evil and a Demon Mafia. What would that world look like? What would that apocalypse boil down to? I tend to assume that the bad guys really don't want the destruction of the world so much as to take the world over and exploit its resources to... uh... what? (I'd fail at evil overlord school). But what would the world look like in 20 years if Wolfram & Hart had won?
* If both The First and W&H/Circle are at work, would they share similar goals or would the two be at odds with one another (bullies can have personality conflicts with one another, after all). Could these folks work together? Is it a fragile truce, dividing the world into their own provinces, or two enemies united by a common goal? If The First and W&H were at war, what would that mean? Is it chaotic evil vs. ordered evil? If they were in concert, would that mean something else?
* In a First vs. W&H Battle Royale, who would win? Or would they never go against each other? Could they be provoked into going against each other because they have fundamentally different goals, or is it simply We're Evil. Evil Rawks. So... yay?
* What's left of humanity in all of this? What about lower innocuous demon orders such as Lorne and Clem? Vampires (not the ones with souls)?
I guess I'm trying to do a Sims game exercise, mentally building a world, or actually theorize about several, try them on for size and see which is most intriguing. It feels that a post-apocalyptic world should be based on the desires of the villain in question (although it could be augmented by human self-destruction -- global warming, religious wars, etc).
So what would the world be if The First could construct it in its desired image? What about a W&H based world? Any thoughts? Ideas? Theories? ...Wild speculation?
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A few hypothetical discussion questions:
* What would the world look like in 20 years if The First got what it wanted? The First wanted to take over, to make the world... what, exactly? What did The First actually want? Control? Anarchy? Worshippers? Everyone as its puppets with the sublimation of free will, Sleeper-like zombies, Andrew-like betrayers? What? We assume the world would be full of evil and populated with a Hellmouth quotient of Cro-Mag vampires. But what does The First get out of it? With all of its yak-yak-yak, what kind of world would The First be intent on creating 20 years down the road? The First would probably be more defined by magic/supernatural, I guess. What would the world in the The First's image be?
* Another question. What would the world look like 20 years after Not Fade Away if Wolfram and Hart and the Circle got what they wanted? A world controlled by corrupt lawyers, what would that be? A different sort of apocalypse from most, I would guess. They are corporate evil and a Demon Mafia. What would that world look like? What would that apocalypse boil down to? I tend to assume that the bad guys really don't want the destruction of the world so much as to take the world over and exploit its resources to... uh... what? (I'd fail at evil overlord school). But what would the world look like in 20 years if Wolfram & Hart had won?
* If both The First and W&H/Circle are at work, would they share similar goals or would the two be at odds with one another (bullies can have personality conflicts with one another, after all). Could these folks work together? Is it a fragile truce, dividing the world into their own provinces, or two enemies united by a common goal? If The First and W&H were at war, what would that mean? Is it chaotic evil vs. ordered evil? If they were in concert, would that mean something else?
* In a First vs. W&H Battle Royale, who would win? Or would they never go against each other? Could they be provoked into going against each other because they have fundamentally different goals, or is it simply We're Evil. Evil Rawks. So... yay?
* What's left of humanity in all of this? What about lower innocuous demon orders such as Lorne and Clem? Vampires (not the ones with souls)?
I guess I'm trying to do a Sims game exercise, mentally building a world, or actually theorize about several, try them on for size and see which is most intriguing. It feels that a post-apocalyptic world should be based on the desires of the villain in question (although it could be augmented by human self-destruction -- global warming, religious wars, etc).
So what would the world be if The First could construct it in its desired image? What about a W&H based world? Any thoughts? Ideas? Theories? ...Wild speculation?
Help
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Sure you get the occasional demon, the hellmouth working up a bit, the First releasing some of it's Supervamps. But the majority of them aren't released, until Buffy gives them an opening to get out.
To me the only way to have The First's plan make sense in s7, is that it killed a few potentials and most of their watchers, their guidance, just so that those potentials that survived would go running straight towards Buffy. Just notice how many potentials were still alive at the start of Chosen.
To me it's clear that the First caused just enough trouble to let Buffy believe that the big Apocalypse was coming. Hell it practically led Buffy towards the Scythe, it almost pointed the thing out to her.
And once Buffy had the scythe in her hands, it told Caleb to let her go. In fact, they only put up a token resistance to keep her from getting it.
It also has several chances to kill Buffy, and yet doesn't, why? Because it still needs her to activate all the slayers and open the Hellmouth.
Another proof is what it does to Spike and Angel. It could easily have them killed, but that's not the intention. Spike is Buffy's greatest victory against The First and she doesn't even get it. Because a being from the darkness chose the light, no matter what it's reason was. So it wants to corrupt that being, that vampire.
It doesn't want to kill Spike, it'll do that, if it has to, but killing Spike is never the intention, the intention is to corrupt him, to get him to come back to the dark side as it were.
The First also appeared to Buffy in Chosen, why? to plant the idea of activating all the Slayers. Just look at the words it uses to remind Buffy that she's alone.
In fact, I'm pretty sure the First wouldn't have succeeded in completely opening the seal and letting out its army, if Buffy and her girls hadn't opened the door. And once the Slayers were all activated the First no longer cared about keeping them alive, cause well... there were dozens, hundreds, possibly even thousands more out there to take the place of the girls that got to Sunnydale.
Once the First had that, Sunnydale no longer mattered. The First never cared about winning after all, it just wants to play the game, the never ending game.
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