Dr. Who Finale
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shipperxI haven't had a chance to look around, but I'm sure there's been bitching about the finale. Why? Because fandoms bitch. I'm sure the Rose Ship Haters, hated the finale and I'm sure the Rose/Ten shippers feel they got some sort of weird compromise.
Myself, I think the Rose/Ten shippers got as close to a happy ending that Doctor Who could hand to them. Really, there's practically no difference between the final Rose/Ten situation than the Aeryn/2 Johns situation on Farscape (other than Farscape explored the complications over an extended period of time.) Maybe it's having dealt with Farscape's exploration of 2 Johns that makes me easily accept the Rose/Ten situation, but I thought it was a reasonable compromise for Who to make. I thought it a sweet gesture to the Rose/Ten fans.
Oh, and it's a really big sacrifice for Ten to make. Think about it. He wasn't alone any more. But he gives that part of himself to Rose. That's a pretty huge gesture.
On other subjects: I've grown to love Mickey dearly and think he's grown a hell of a lot. I hope he does end up working with Capt. Jack.
And finally: Donna! Noooo! Sniffle. Sniffle. Sob. Poor, poor Donna. It breaks my heart. That was a horribly tragic thing to happen to her, and throughout this season I grew to love Donna greatly. Donna rocked and I almost have an itch to write Donna fic. Hope she finds another Library Guy (or somehow finds actual Library Guy again). Donna has earned Favorite New!Who companion status for me.
ETA:
Having read around a bit. Yes, I think Ten is a judgey control freak on many levels and it doesn't play well for me that he's so judgemental of killing off the Daleks. Dude, when a group is trying to destroy the multiverse, you beat them -- however necessary. It sucks? Sure, but to pull out old school Star Trek, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And on a multi-verse level, one race of Daleks is the 'few' in this equation. I support both Jack's and Martha's threats to blow up the earth. Need of the many. (Though I think Martha has been pushed into Mary Sue status and it's annoying me. I had rather liked Martha, but in some defensive posture because of Rose fans being defensive about her or something they've made Martha preternaturally competent at everything and it's dehumanized her). So Ten and his "how dare the humans dare to threaten to solve something" (which, by the way, he had no answer for) annoyed as did Ten judging 10.5. Look, Ten, it's all well and good to stand on your principles here, but quite frankly, I don't think 10.5 was wrong. I'm just sayin'
And yes, I'm a bloodthirsty human who has grown annoyed with Daleks as a go-to villain, so there. (It's the "Exterminate!" thing. Even if one were to overlook their tendency towards megalomania and genocide, those grating voices deserve extinction. M'kay?)
Though I still enjoyed CrazyAss Dru Dalek (as in the crazy Dalek reminded me of Drusilla). But, I do hope this is the last of the Daleks for a very, very long time. (come on. We know the critters come back after every time they've been 'destroyed').
Oh and having seen a few discussions of Ten= Buffy. Ten = Angel. Rose=Angel. Martha=Spike. Etc. Let me throw out one other permutation. While, on general principle I don't like to draw parallels between the Buffyverse characters and characters in other fandoms (because that only leads to trouble and the parallels are never true parallels anyway). I will put forward that Donna = Spike. (Hee!). Donna was snarky and underestimated. She saved the universe but will never feel particularly important in it... and that sense of never being 'enough' plays heavily into my view of Spike the UnSpecial (but in a rather human way special) Unlikely Hero.
Though, in seriousness, I don't consider any Whoverse character a parallel of Buffyverse characters. It's just if you're going to draw parallels, I'm going to draw them between characters I love. :)
Myself, I think the Rose/Ten shippers got as close to a happy ending that Doctor Who could hand to them. Really, there's practically no difference between the final Rose/Ten situation than the Aeryn/2 Johns situation on Farscape (other than Farscape explored the complications over an extended period of time.) Maybe it's having dealt with Farscape's exploration of 2 Johns that makes me easily accept the Rose/Ten situation, but I thought it was a reasonable compromise for Who to make. I thought it a sweet gesture to the Rose/Ten fans.
Oh, and it's a really big sacrifice for Ten to make. Think about it. He wasn't alone any more. But he gives that part of himself to Rose. That's a pretty huge gesture.
On other subjects: I've grown to love Mickey dearly and think he's grown a hell of a lot. I hope he does end up working with Capt. Jack.
And finally: Donna! Noooo! Sniffle. Sniffle. Sob. Poor, poor Donna. It breaks my heart. That was a horribly tragic thing to happen to her, and throughout this season I grew to love Donna greatly. Donna rocked and I almost have an itch to write Donna fic. Hope she finds another Library Guy (or somehow finds actual Library Guy again). Donna has earned Favorite New!Who companion status for me.
ETA:
Having read around a bit. Yes, I think Ten is a judgey control freak on many levels and it doesn't play well for me that he's so judgemental of killing off the Daleks. Dude, when a group is trying to destroy the multiverse, you beat them -- however necessary. It sucks? Sure, but to pull out old school Star Trek, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And on a multi-verse level, one race of Daleks is the 'few' in this equation. I support both Jack's and Martha's threats to blow up the earth. Need of the many. (Though I think Martha has been pushed into Mary Sue status and it's annoying me. I had rather liked Martha, but in some defensive posture because of Rose fans being defensive about her or something they've made Martha preternaturally competent at everything and it's dehumanized her). So Ten and his "how dare the humans dare to threaten to solve something" (which, by the way, he had no answer for) annoyed as did Ten judging 10.5. Look, Ten, it's all well and good to stand on your principles here, but quite frankly, I don't think 10.5 was wrong. I'm just sayin'
And yes, I'm a bloodthirsty human who has grown annoyed with Daleks as a go-to villain, so there. (It's the "Exterminate!" thing. Even if one were to overlook their tendency towards megalomania and genocide, those grating voices deserve extinction. M'kay?)
Though I still enjoyed CrazyAss Dru Dalek (as in the crazy Dalek reminded me of Drusilla). But, I do hope this is the last of the Daleks for a very, very long time. (come on. We know the critters come back after every time they've been 'destroyed').
Oh and having seen a few discussions of Ten= Buffy. Ten = Angel. Rose=Angel. Martha=Spike. Etc. Let me throw out one other permutation. While, on general principle I don't like to draw parallels between the Buffyverse characters and characters in other fandoms (because that only leads to trouble and the parallels are never true parallels anyway). I will put forward that Donna = Spike. (Hee!). Donna was snarky and underestimated. She saved the universe but will never feel particularly important in it... and that sense of never being 'enough' plays heavily into my view of Spike the UnSpecial (but in a rather human way special) Unlikely Hero.
Though, in seriousness, I don't consider any Whoverse character a parallel of Buffyverse characters. It's just if you're going to draw parallels, I'm going to draw them between characters I love. :)
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Date: 2008-07-07 03:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-07-07 03:33 pm (UTC)Of the companions in New!Who I think I've grown to love Donna the most, which is why what happened to her moved me the most.
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Date: 2008-07-07 03:40 pm (UTC)I think why I came to really like Donna is that she looked at everything the Doctor showed her with wide, amazed eyes, and then drove the Doctor on to do better than he would on his own. *And* there was no annoying romance. She cared for him a great deal, but not in the OMG!OTP kind of way. It was refreshing. :)
And the reason I liked the last bit, although I'm sorry that Donna lost her time with the Doctor, it opens up all those lovely Angst!Doctor possibilities for the new guy to play with. And without Donna there to set the Doctor straight, he can wallow in his guilt and misery and be totally EMO to an annoying degree until, maybe, they somehow regenerate Donna's memories without killing her and she can slap the Doctor upside the head for all of us. ;-)
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Date: 2008-07-08 04:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-07-08 12:49 pm (UTC)If you see any really good Donna fic out there showing her post-Doctor, give me a heads up, okay? I'd read that even though I don't normally read Doctor Who fic.