Buffy Stuff

[shipperx]

You know, most commentary about the most recent issue has been about the Bangel!Boink, and eh. Whatever. It's all very silly. I wasn't particularly bothered by it. Mostly, I laughed and snarked, so good times! A space boink is deliciously ridiculous. Add the disproportionate bodies and general cartoonishness of the art and it's priceless.

However, strangely, reading moscow_watchers summary of Giles's dialog bothers me.

Jeebus! Joss retconned the hell out of BtVS. (ETA:9.24.10 so subsequent interviews make relatively clear that Joss had crap all to do with retconning the mythology... other than allowing it to happen, which begs the questions of 'why' and 'does Joss even give a shit about his 'verse any longer?' if he allows someone else to make an entirely different mythology to supercede his own.)

The 'universe' created Slayers? What? It wasn't Shadowmen Watchers creating the first Slayer by infecting her with demon essence?

Nature created vampires? NATURE? The hell...? What nature would that be? Isn't the whole thing about vampire mytholgy (in any fictional universe) that they aren't natural? They're UNnatural! They're preternatural. They're outside the laws of nature (and, also according to Giles on the show they were the byproduct of the last Old One out the door).

The empowerment spell was an evolution? Evo... I can't even repeat it. Seriously? So we just don't give a shit what words mean any more? Metamorphosis, would work as an explanation. But a witch's white-magic spell changing young girls from one thing to another in the twinklilng of an eye is not evolution! (If it were, then I guess Darren Stevens 'evolved' every time Endora came to visit on Bewitched.) Giles is supposed to be an educated man, damnit. A librarian should know enough to understand when he's using a word incorrectly!

And he's feared this Twilight crap could happen but he didn't -- oh, I don't know -- TELL Buffy? Or Faith? Not in thirteen eight years?! He just kept that information to himself until he... found something that could kill a Slayer-God? I guess he never heard the old axiom about an "ounce of prevention..." And here's a thought, Giles, what about that potion you used to knock out Buffy's powers in the Watcher's cruel test? Remember that? Think that could have been used as a preventative measure before excrement hit fan?

Joss really did just say to hell with the show, didn't he? Way to trash his own mytharc.

I tend to hate the phrase about ski-jumping over a large, finned, toothy fish. But there's nothing here to overcome the flood of straight-up dumb.

I mean, if there is a large, finned, toothy fish beneath this pile of twaddle, it's not one from the version filmed by Speilberg. That had intelligence. This is more along the lines of the one that starred Micheal Cain long after all the creative juice had completely run out of the franchise, the one Micheal Cain said he only did for money.

(Yeah, yeah, comics don't make money. But I'm searching for a reason anyone would bother to make this )

Comments

[sueworld2003.livejournal.com]

"Here's a thought, Giles, what about that potion you used to knock out Buffy's powers in the Watcher's cruel test? Remember that?"

Yes, there was always that. *g*

[treadingthedark.livejournal.com]

You know we fans probably have watched the series numerous times, have read the books, discussed stuff to death.

How many times you think Joss has seen the show? Once? 7 years ago? At this point I am convinced he's just clueless!

[sockmonkeyhere.livejournal.com]

Joss really did just say to hell with the show, didn't he? Way to trash his own mytharc.

I'm still trying to get past Brad Meltzer screaming out that vampire bats eat mosquitoes and live in Texas, but...yeah, once again Whedon has thrown continuity out the window in order to get his Kewl Scene.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I'm still trying to get past Brad Meltzer screaming out that vampire bats eat mosquitoes and live in Texas

So you're saying he isn't very bright.

[http://users.livejournal.com/woman_of_/]

Oh I'm so pleased I stopped reading or I would have them all the comics in a bonfire about now.

[sockmonkeyhere.livejournal.com]

*grin* I think his carnival left town without him.

[ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com]

I've read a ton of thoughts and reviews on the last issue, and I must say...

You summed up the WTFery of it all quite beautifully as well as concisely.

Thank you.

[jerrymcl89.livejournal.com]

Giles Exposition has really never been the most consistent of characters. There's who he is, and who Joss is willing to make him to serve the plot, and the two are only loosely related. But the comic takes it a lot further.

[sockmonkeyhere.livejournal.com]

Heh, also, check out the panel of the thirty watchers committing suicide. Giles says it happened in 1680, but the watchers' clothing, and the clothes on the statue, and the furnishings and decor and architecture of the room, are all from around 1900. Looks like Meltzer isn't the only dark horsie who gets facts confused.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Given the depiction we had of Tibet... I'm not surprised.

[hazel75.livejournal.com]

But it was totally worth Angel and Buffy fucking all over the place, wasn't it? Oh, wait, that part sucked, too, unless you only care about Angel and Buffy fucking and nothing else.

I'm convinced that the Bangels who are intelligent and don't have a problem with this are just too caught up with getting "even" with Spuffy fucking.

[hazel75.livejournal.com]

This? is why the comics are not canon.

[eilowyn.livejournal.com]

I've reached the point where I can ignore the comics as a continuation of the show and just enjoy them as a separate entity entirely. And by "enjoy" I mean "mock the hell out of, because it's not much good anyway". If Joss got a Season 8 on the air with the original cast (meaning: Sarah stuck around for another season and James stayed with the original series instead of spinning off), this travesty would never have happened.

There's a part of me that would miss Season 8 if it had never happened, but the Universe would keep on keepin' on . . . unless two superbeings frakked it out of existence.

[eilowyn.livejournal.com]

No contest. Spike never needed any glowhypnl viagra or Phenomenal Cosmic Powers to get Buffy off. For five hours straight. Really, how long does it take to destroy a mountain while fucking? And you gotta admit, them heading towards the mountain was a bit on the 2012 side. Actually, it was a complete rip-off of the "WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS MOUNT EVEREST!!!" scene. But with fucking.

Sure, Brad. We are so totally supposed to take this seriously.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

At this point, I almost admire how they could place this amount of fail all in one series.

Seriously, help me, what in any of this is actually supposed to be good? I look and all I see is embarrassingly stupid.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Oh, I'm sure that's part of the reaction. I mean, yelling "We win!" in fandom always has some attraction.

Doesn't make up for the rampant STUPID of these comics, though.

[hazel75.livejournal.com]

With you totally (though I haven't seen 2012 so can't comment on that part although the entire thing has reminded me of The Day After Tomorrow).

It really galls me that if you read reviews from Bangels (including those who are usually delusional) they're all Bangel sex destroyed the world, Spuffy sex only brought down a house. Which, actually, Spuffy sex didn't even bring down an entire house or Spike would have been dust the next morning and do we not get that this is NOT A GOOD THING? But, nope, they're too concerned with who fucked Buffy the most and in the most positions. Because it's all about who has the most power over (and most dibs on) Buffy's vagina.

And sex that opens doors to different dimensions is very serious. Or very cracky. I tend to go with cracky.

And, no, this dreck is not (and never will be) canon to me.

[hazel75.livejournal.com]

Doesn't make up for the rampant STUPID of these comics, though.

Sing it, sister. It just drives me crazy, though, because they don't win because it's awful. Who wants to win at being the worst? Really?

And it's so much about who has the biggest dibs on Buffy's vagina which drives me utterly batshit insane because it's so anti-woman.

[hazel75.livejournal.com]

Tell me you're kidding. Really. You've got to be kidding.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Totally serious. *snerk*

Teh Universe wanted it. *bwha!*

Which makes me think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsK6aRuSBIc

Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was 'Oh no, not again.' Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the Universe than we do now... ~Douglas Adams, Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy

[fenderlove.livejournal.com]

Here's a thought, Giles, what about that potion you used to knock out Buffy's powers in the Watcher's cruel test? Remember that?

That was exactly my thought. Why in the world, if having so many Slayers is such a scary thing, would you demand that all of the new Slayers take up arms? Why not give them a chance to choose between having superpowers or living a normal life by mass-producing power-nullifying juice? Sure, they'd have to take it for the rest of their lives, but that means that they can always change their mind about using their powers, which might be for the best.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

You're clearly forgetting. When it involves Spike, it's bad. When it involves Angel, it's good. This applies to anything -- souls, murder, heroism, destruction, sex, you name it. It's one of the commandments of the Church of Joss Bangeldom

[hazel75.livejournal.com]

Head. Explodes. Brain. Oozes.

But you're right -- why am I looking for logic where logic does not live?

[fenchurche.livejournal.com]

I remain absolutely convinced that Joss resents the heck out of BtVS for remaining so popular while his other shows haven't ever gotten to that same level.

What better way to take out his annoyance than by completely destroying everything about the franchise that made people like it in the first place?

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Really, this goes far beyond shipping. This is just... my brain can't seem to adequately process this amount of stupid.

Sentient universe? 'Natural' vampires? Evolution that's not? World destroying sex? Cultist Watchers committing mass suicide? Willow calmly conversing with Tara's murderer about twu wuv?

What about any of this is actually supposed to be something other than ridiculous? This is preposterous to a crack!fic degree. It's just... bad.