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Whedonverse Stuff
Ran across this quote in a comment thread that was discussing places other than LJ.
"...Nothing we saw in season 2 of BtVS ever made me think that Angelus would have been anything but an inventive, elegant and sophisticated lover - well, as far as Buffy was concerned in any case..."
No comment.Oh, who am I kidding? I've got to comment.
The only folks I could see agreeing with that assessment are Franklin Mott and Drusilla.
Elsewhere, read spoilers and it looks like the Whedonverse comics continue to furiously dig themselves into greater depths of fail. I kind of respect them for putting this much effort into coming up with new and ever more spectacular ways to suck. It cannot be easy. It takes a work ethic, people! Respect it!
::Pets Whedonverse Comics:: They're like Chinese Crested puppies. So ugly they're almost cute. Never change, Whedonverse. I'd hate to think there could ever come a time when I could actually underestimate you.
ETA: Spoiler (as I understand it which is basically having read a comment about it online): Turns out in one of the W-guys writing the AtS comics (meaning I don't know the difference between them, so basically 'Not Lynch') has the plot twist that Spike lost his soul and didn't notice. A plot that has, of course, been done many times in fanfic. Though given the overall stupidity of the comics, it's a safe bet that it will not be done well. Or with any thought given to characterization of anyone...especially not Spike characterization. Don't know and don't care about the details of it.
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This is true. Just as long as she's not a wig on a mop, though.
I grew up on Luke and Laura and, unfortunately, kids don't question much so I didn't think of the problems with them just enjooyed the mystery of the left-handed boy and the campy ridiculousness of the Ice Princess (while I pre-teen lusted for Robert Scorpio and Noah Drake. :) I wandered a way some time during the Frisco and Felicia era, but returned again at some point. I don't think I ever really diveloped an issue with Luke and Laura until the Claire Labine era when there was a hit out on Sonny, and there was that really cool montage of Laura singing to baby Lulu as the house got shot up. I got rather hacked off that Luke acted as though Laura was unreasonable when Laura kicked him out after that when he wouldn't disassociate himself from Sonny. EVen then, though, I thought it was a decent storyline. What hacked me off mightily was when Laura took Luke back and he'd been a jackass the entire time, never acknowledged that what Laura was upset about was legitimate, and then they had her apologize to him over having kicked him out for just cause. Though I still remember Luke as being a half-way decent dad to JJ's little Lucky. I'm not sure at what point he pretty much became the worst father in the world, but, the last time I really checked in he was coming off as an incredily sucky dad.
Ti tended to wander around between the ABC and the NBC soaps based primarily on what the current storylines were so I missed the "City of Eterna" phase of OLTL and whenver the time travel phase was for DOOL. I did catch bits and pieces of Marlena being possessed by the devil and that crack was hilarious. JERk was a terrible, terrible, religiously screwed-up, misogynist writer... but he did bring the crack-fic.
I did watch OLTL back during the Roger Howarth era of the gang rape and actually that was an interesting storyline, and Howarth did good work with it. It got to be obcious after a while that he hated the character of Todd, and it had sort of become ridiculousness so I was completely okay with it when he left. So, I don't really think of it as RH's Todd that I hate with a white-hot fire. I completely agreed with Howarth that Todd was a sociopath and could enjoy him in that dark, screwed-up but compelling way. What has driven me away from OLTL repeatedly is when they try to sell Todd as a victim or hot guy. I dropped the show like a rock back when they had a scene of Todd raping his wife, but then they told the story that the rape that we saw didn't happen, Blair had just "misinterpreted" (because of course women don't know whether they've been raped) because she had a convenient brain tumor. I had about a 5 year hiatus after that. But I did return several years ago, only to catch the re-rape storyline where they hooked up Todd and Marty, when she had brain damage and the show got all 'surprised' when fans of the show started referring to it as the 're-rape' because somehow brain damage didn't sink in with the writers. I became so disgused with Todd at that point that ever since I've actively rooted for him to die a horrible death... but then OLTL did the whole diversity fail of firing all their gay characters and all but one of their African-American characters, and I was done.
And if the comics are penned for 12 year old boys... couldn't those boys go out and read "Holes" or something instead?
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until the Sony era, or the mid-80s, early 90s. My mother tuned in on occassion during the period prior to that - which is how I know the back-story. (My mother is a walking encyclopedia of old tv and film and book lore. And she's watched just about every daytime soap on tv, with the exception of maybe Passions. )
Childhood? It was Ryan's Hope, Search for Tomorrow, Another World, Texas (spin-off from Another World), Capitol, Edge of Night,
Young and the Restless, Days of Our Lives (it was better in the 70s and early 80s, before Roman came aboard) and briefly The Doctors (Kathleen Turner and Alec Baldwin were on it but that was the early 70s).
Adolescence (80's)? As the World Turns (ATWT, Guiding Light, Days, Another World (got cancelled along with Texas and Capitol and Ryans Hope and Edge of Night), briefly The City (also cancelled), and for a bit GH (off and on)
also All My Children (during the height of the whole Tad/Dixie saga).
20s (80's-90's)? ATWT, GL, GH, ALL My Children, (in Australia - East Enders, and Carson's Law)
30's (90's-00's)? OLTL, GH, All My Children
Now? Just GH.
So, I caught the whole Luke rapes Laura bit from Lucky's perspective (great storyline.)
Only know Rick Springfield from his music and later years on GH as Patrick's dad. Vaguely remember Demi Moore. And remember Maurice Bernard (Sonny) as a sympathetic gangster on The City.
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I think I grew up watching soaps even as a very small child. My sister is twelve years older than myself, so I remember her watching All My Children when I must have been in kindergarten (I even remember the Erica/Phillip/Tara stuff, though I would not be able to tell you the plot at all. And my baby sitter must have watched OLTL because I remember perfectly ancient stuff like Viki dating Joe Reilly and when the Buchanans were newbies and looking at the dates of those things, that places me in kindergarten to elementary school as well (amazing the stuff that sticks in our heads). That was all passively watching though. I don't think I began watching just because I was watching until I was ten or so and I caught the GH storyline of where Laura murdered this guy and Leslie covered it up to protect then teen Laura. Oh and Heather on LSD and Alan trying to blow Monica up for having an affair with Rick (so, y'know, totally acceptable viewing for a ten year old. Can you tell that I was a latch-key kid? :) I was around when Luke first arrived bringing mob-plots with him, but even as a child, I didn't get the great attraction. I did have a terrible tween crush on Rick Springfield, though. I didn't care for his character much, but I bought all his albums. LOL!
I do remember the L&L 'on the run' storylines as being fun, but then I was also watching Saturday morning cartoons/live action like Thundar the Barbarian and Land of the Lost, so I wasn't judging stuff beyond 'fun'. I did however love Robert Scorpio and I was all over the time period when Luke died and International Spy Robert married international thief Holly in a marriage of convenience post Luke-"death" and then Robert and Holly slowly fell in love. I also loved Anna. And was into International Spy Anna falling for mobster with a heart of gold Duke. I quit watching after the first Duke was blown to kingdom come.
Then in high school I sort of was dragged by peer association into watching "Days" in its late 80s live-action Romance Novel days and as long as the supercouple du jour appealed, I enjoyed it (primarily during the Steve/Kayla, Jack/Jennifer eras). That lasted until about 1990-ish. At some point, I was splitting time between the Anne Heche / Alicia Coppola eras of Another World (up to its cancellation), and the Claire Labine era GH (BJ's heart story still ranks as the best soap story that I ever saw), and whoever was the female show-runner who produced Dirty Dancing that took over OLTL for a while's era of OLTL. Interspersed somewhere along the way was Santa Barbara with a general knowledge of AMC from several quasi-isolated points in time (Cliff/Nina, Tad/Dixie, SMG, and Kendal/Greenlee rivalry ).
Currently I'm soapless, and it looks like I'll stay that way. I think I was more forgiving of stories as a child/teen than I am now.