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shipperxYou know, over the years I've criticized Buffy a little. (I hear the laughing! >;). I've pointed to a few character flaws. I've said that I thought she had issues. Heck, let's admit it, I've been hard on the girl sometimes. That said, I considered a few things to be true (and to be essential Buffy).
- She's always been a good and dutiful soldier. She wouldn't gloss over/emotionally dismiss a little thing like causing an apocalypse.
- She has a tendency to be angst-ridden. The girl dwells. She would be conflicted if her lovelife brought on death, mayhem and destruction. Heck, she might even dwell upon it.
- She cares what her friends think. To the point that she broods about it sometimes...even when she shouldn't.
- She has a moral compass. She can be confused sometimes, but she's pretty insistent on what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. She can at times even be a bit binary about it.
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Date: 2010-09-01 07:47 pm (UTC)Buffy: What's wrong with 'Buffy'?
Giles: Ah, such a good question.
S8 has taken a lot of criticisms I have had about Buffy's behavior over the years and has expounded them to a way I cannot even fathom. Good Lord, I don't even know where to begin.
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Date: 2010-09-01 07:48 pm (UTC)Thing is even if Emmie is right and this is just some glowhypnol effect I wouldn't know how they want to use that to explain her behavior over the past years. If she knew Spike was alive and was "too busy" to say hello, she's a thoughtless horrible person. A real Bella type, exactly like one the cover.
Why should anyone bother to read about someone like that for 36 issues?
The only theory I heard so far that made sense is that Buffy lost her soul during the slayer spell and I doubt the comic is going to make that much sense unfortunately.
I'm afraid it's just Season 8 that's soulless.
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Date: 2010-09-01 07:50 pm (UTC)The whole thing is starting to look like an oldskool yay!Spike Bangel-bashing fic, isn't it? Any moment now there'll be a Spillow hook-up...
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Date: 2010-09-01 07:52 pm (UTC)Not even sure that makes sense, though. We've seen quasi-soulless Buffy before in S4 and she was all business. Soulless Buffy, while it explains everything up to Twilight and after, doesn't explain why she's still fawning all over Angel.
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Date: 2010-09-01 07:52 pm (UTC)And that type of thinking lead to Dead Things Alley Beating dialed up to 11 on the universe?
Its not like they don't have form at that kind of double-think.
Otherwise, I got nothing.
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Date: 2010-09-01 07:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-01 07:54 pm (UTC)Not even sure that makes sense, though. We've seen quasi-soulless Buffy before in S4 and she was all business. Soulless Buffy, while it explains everything up to Twilight, but not after. It doesn't explain why she's still fawning all over Angel.
Sorry. I don't know why that send before I was done fixing.
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Date: 2010-09-01 07:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-01 07:58 pm (UTC)Don't be silly. That was all the director's fault! :)
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Date: 2010-09-01 08:12 pm (UTC)I'm officially shipping Spike/KristySwanson!Buffy. "Get out of my facial, other!Buffy!"
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Date: 2010-09-01 08:17 pm (UTC)Bright spot. I had something planned in fanfic that I thought might be just a little hard on Buffy... and the comics flew right passed it at a million miles an hour. Makes the plot point pretty bullet proof now.
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Date: 2010-09-01 08:21 pm (UTC)Bangel are whining about their twu wuv while destroying the world, and Spike's got a space ship and is about the mission.
Wow. That's not good, is it?
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Date: 2010-09-01 08:24 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-01 08:42 pm (UTC)Paging Scott Allie
I can't shake that comment from Joss about what Buffy fans needing and comic fans needing not being the same thing.
*This* is what comic fans need?
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Date: 2010-09-01 08:53 pm (UTC)If you were a TRUE comic fan you would understand the nature of his genius. *nods solemnly*
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Date: 2010-09-01 08:56 pm (UTC)Continuity? For wusses.
Logic? Unecessary.
Characterization? Extraneous piffle.
Artwork? Eh. Whatevs.
Great dialog? ...Why?
Exciting new concepts? Old badfic will do (but treated without irony)
Intelligence? Replace that with shout-outs to other franchises. Comic fans won't notice the difference.
Plotting? Bwhahahahaha!
So what do comics readers need? Space ships, girls with oversized boobs, talking dogs, and space pr0n! >;)
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Date: 2010-09-01 09:00 pm (UTC)Bright side -- everything I thought might be a bit too hard on Buffy or Angel has been a thousand times worse in the comics. I'm golden.
Down side -- people might think I got the ideas from the comics and my less toxic incidents might be perceived as a 'fix it'. (Hey, I thought up those bad things all on my own! >:)
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Date: 2010-09-01 09:03 pm (UTC)Joss just needs better fans!
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Date: 2010-09-01 09:12 pm (UTC)I'm having a convo on IDW's forum trying to explain why I don't see Buffy as a kind and loving fluffy bunny even before S8. I think that I am letting my irritation make me word things too strongly. The phrase "with heroes like these, who needs villains?" might be too much. XD
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Date: 2010-09-01 09:21 pm (UTC)It's also why I only keep track of the comics in a train wreck viewing way.
Buffy, Angel, the shows, and the characters were far from perfect, but they were no where near as terrible as the comics or the way they're portrayed in the comics. It's easier to keep that in mind when keeping comics crazy at an arms length.
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Date: 2010-09-01 09:26 pm (UTC)I have to admit that's my interest in it as well (I realized ages ago that if I took it seriously then I'd actually feel something about the characters. Apparently, I cannot work up even a sense of disappointment in the characters, which clearly means I'm not taking the stuff seriously. I cared about Buffy, Angel, Dawn, etc. My not feeling anything about them must mean that I'm totally outside the story. At this point, I'm just watching to see how Joss and Co try to spin this as being gold rather than dull dross. Spin away, people! Spin. Spin. Spin! :)
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Date: 2010-09-01 10:02 pm (UTC)*starts making my own comic again*
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Date: 2010-09-01 10:09 pm (UTC)(Not happy that they've destroyed Buffy & Angel, obviously, but...)
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Date: 2010-09-01 10:31 pm (UTC)I dunno, though. Right now, the damage is huuuge.
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Date: 2010-09-01 10:55 pm (UTC)But I find it hard to believe that any emotional satisfaction is anywhere in the offing. I can't even imagine what that would possibly entail at this point and without it, I don't think it's 'salvaged'...and that's assuming that the thing isn't as bad as it appears to be.
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Date: 2010-09-01 10:56 pm (UTC)Joss goes to that well a few times too many for my satisfaction.
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Date: 2010-09-02 03:19 am (UTC)It honest to god isn't a shipping thing. Spuffies are well aquainted with the fuzzy end of the lollipop.
It's that Buffy caused an apocalypse and doesn't seem to care! Sure, Slayerettes died by the horde, whatevs. Best day ever!
But, I'm not waiting for an explanation. Thus far with everything WTF in the comics, we've been told it's just the way it is. The folks in charge are surprised it's considered OOC. So, unless they ever say otherwise, I'm going to go along thinking that this is who the comics believe Buffy to be... which... yeah.
Nothing to see here.
And the whole Angel is David Berkowitz flying Twangel is...
Sure, Angel's plans in the past have at times had the whiff of being suicidal, and he did have that greige period in AtS Season 2. But he's never been this dumb.
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