GOT: Season 4 Trailer!
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shipperxJaime! Arya! Red Viper! Squee!
Joffrey: "I won the war"
Jaime: "The war is not won."
Jorah: “It's tempting to see your enemies as evil, but there's good and evil on both sides of every war ever fought.”
Red Viper: "Tell your father the Lannisters are not the only ones who pay their debts."
Tyrion: "If you want justice, you've come to the wrong place..."
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Date: 2014-01-13 03:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-01-13 05:18 pm (UTC)Jorah: "There is good and evil on both sides of every war."
Solid advice to Dany and true of GOT. Shireeen Baratheon (Stannis's daughter) and Davos are pretty straight up "good" in the Stannis/Melisendre camp. Tommen Baratheon(Lannister) is really just an innocent babe who has never harmed anyone ever. And the Boltons of the North are as evil as evil gets, even if they are "Northmen". It's not always easy to codify the good guys and the bad guys based solely on their houses.
And woot for the tranplanted line, now made the Red Viper's saying "Tell your father the Lannisters aren't the only ones who pay their debts" (It was the Red Viper of Dorne's sister that was married to the Targaryen crown prince when the Lannisters sacked King's Landing. We've already heard tales about the horror that was.
And Dinklage is going to boffo material this season.
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Date: 2014-01-13 05:45 pm (UTC)I'm not quite sure what that means, I'm afraid.
Do you think this is likely to be the last series with Dany and Jorah together? Jorah was pretty cut up by Dany's reaction to Mr Motley Crue Reject at the end of season 3. That might tip him over the edge.
Also, interestingly (sadly, from my POV), Iain Glen has said of Emilia Clarke that he mentored her as an actress when the show first started, but that now she doesn't need him any more than Dany now needs Jorah (he meant it as a compliment, of course).
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Date: 2014-01-13 07:02 pm (UTC)Do you think this is likely to be the last series with Dany and Jorah together?
The last ever? I doubt it. I mean, I can't confirm that they'll end up in proximity again, but I give it good odds. I think that he'll be spending the next season (or possibly two. Though if I were making a guess, I'd guess 1 1/2 based on where her story is this year and where Jorah's story was at the end of A Dance with Dragons. Though, who knows what GRRM has planned for "Winds of Winter" so I'm just speculating). Jorah has got a significant story arc to play 'on the road' so while I think his time with Dany will be extended here. His next arc can't pick up until a separate storyline plays out ...and that storyline is clearly going to take all of Season 4.
(The thing with splitting Book III into two seasons has meant that while there's still plenty of material left iin Book III for some characters, there's very little "Storm of Swords" material left for others. Because of that, I'm guessing that things like the Jorah/Selmy/Daaro/Dany tensions and the Arya/Hound roadtrip will be stretched a little. There's no reason to rush them and, besides, it would be enjoyable to expand on them. Also Brienne/Jaime are already back in King's Landing is a significant enough change that it's going to have to be handled differently. And Yara(Asha)/Theon's sister story is from all indications, significantly changed (given that she has ALREADY left the Iron Islands), so anyone's guess goes on that one.
Mr Motley Crue Reject at the end of season 3.
The post the other day re: someone's analysis of A Dance with Dragons has made me re-think the Dany/Daario thing. I may have rolled my eyes at Daario (a lot) but the analysis made me think that as tiresome as I found the character, he has a thematic purpose. In that light, I think the fall-out with Jorah (who actually gives insightful counsel) and her infatuation with Daario makes sense (in that analysis the blogger posited that Daario represents Dany's infatuation with the simplicity of conquering and the 'glamour' of war. She doesn't want the nuance Jorah is giving about there being "good and evil on both sides". She wants simplicity. Selmy is a rather black and white morality guy and Daario is amorality. Jorah occupies a middle ground between the two. It probably makes sense for her character development that (at least for the time being) she loses the one that is the middle ground.
(And they've recast Daario. He's going to look rather different -- less Fabio-esque -- this year. That said, even adding an actor I've found hot elsewhere (the new Daario played a music producer on Nashville a year ago. He was appealing there) probably is not going to endear Daario to me (maybe make him less insufferable, though. I hope).
That might tip him over the edge.
What edge?
Given last season, they've already changed the plot from the book. In the book, Selmy didn't arrive and announce himself to Dany as he did in the show. In the book Selmy pretended to be a wisened old man who worked his way into Dany's trust until she did something that seemed to waylay his suspicions about her (he didn't want to follow another 'bad king'. So when he revealed himself as Ser Barristan Selmy, he immidiately exposed Jorrah has having once been Robert Baratheon's spy as we saw in Seaon 1. Jorah never actively tips over any particular "edge." It was the fact that he was a spy when he first met Dany (in Season 1) that was exposed to her.
Given the differences in the arc, I think it's way, way, WAY too late for Selmy to expose this to Dany, so I don't know how the show will engineer it. But I don't see Jorah ever betraying Dany. And, while Selmy may have his reservations about Jorah, as things stand I don't see him as feeling any need to 'out' Jorah as I don't see him becoming a Daario fan any time
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Date: 2014-01-14 03:57 pm (UTC)I thought I'd gathered from a brief Jorah spoiler I saw that the reason why Dany sent Jorah away was because Jorah had upfront told her he was in love with her, not because Selmy revealed him as a spy. That's why I thought Daario being in the mix might be the catalyst that would make Jorah do such a thing. If it's not that, then I can still see how Selmy might decide to out him as a spy. Maybe Jorah will be tricked into doing something (possibly even by Daario) that looks to Selmy like another betrayal and he'll tell Dany about the earlier incident because he thinks Jorah can't be trusted?
I can't help remembering that scene in season 2 where that mysterious masked woman asked Jorah if he would ever betray Dany again and Jorah swore he never would. Maybe it's Joss skewing the way I see things, but I see that as foreshadowing that he will in some fashion, even if he doesn't mean to.
We'll see.
As for Yara, I seem to remember you saying that Theon manages to break free of the Bastard's hold in order to save some girl (or do I have that wrong?) and was wondering if they might swap that character for Yara. I hope not. To be honest, I don't want to see any more Theon at all.
Also, I hope the fact that Jaime got to Kingslanding quicker than in the books doesn't mean there won't be more Jaime/Brienne?
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Date: 2014-01-14 05:02 pm (UTC)I thought I'd gathered from a brief Jorah spoiler I saw that the reason why Dany sent Jorah away was because Jorah had upfront told her he was in love with her, not because Selmy revealed him as a spy.
Well, yeah, that happens too. But, it's complicated. The actual 'betrayal' was discovering that he'd been a Baratheon spy, which of course is treason and a capital offense. And she is definitely discombobulated by his love (she MIGHT have gotten over the treason -- as weird as that is to say -- but the combo of the the two exceeds her capacity to deal. So despite his treason (and his pass) she doesn't want him dead. Hence, his exhile.
Absolute pure speculation: Probably won't end up with puppy and kittens, but I expect him to be her true and loyal knight to the end and some sort of reconciliation in some form (probably dying in the hellmouth to save her or redeem her or whatever the end game might look like. Who knows. I'm not clear on Dany's path). Though it being GOT, it'll probably involve someone somewhere dying (My suspicion is that she'll go out either as Big Damn Hero or Darth Willow. I don't know which, but I felt for a while that her role is as conqueror (of Westeros? Of the Others? This I don't know) but that she'll never rule Westeros. However, that's pure speculation on my part.) Anyway, I've never had the feeling that the Jorah/Dany thing is remotely 'over.' We'll see.
As for Yara, I seem to remember you saying that Theon manages to break free of the Bastard's hold in order to save some girl (or do I have that wrong?)
Well, himself too. But, yeah, there's a girl he's saving from Bolton as well. Absolutely wish no one into Bolton's clutches, so Theon moving to help her was a redemptive step for Theon, one where he also begins to reclaim some bit of himself. I actually went from LOATHING Theon, to having affection for the guy by the end of Dance.
Was wondering if they might swap that character for Yara.
I guess they could, but it would be a substantial re-write. At least for the forseeable future. What happened to her circumstances at the end of Dance is vague, so I can't say 'no never!' but, I suspect that as the story stands, it would be too large a re-write to change things such that she ends up in the other girl's position rather than where she does in the book (though in TV form, her POV wouldn't be necessary to tell a 3rd party's actions as she does in Dance, {she is a POV character in both Feast for Crows and in Dance}. So, they may feel that on TV there's some leaway.) Frankly, though, it would also require a huge personality shift. The girl that's saved is the helpless sort. Asha/Yara is more of an action hero type. She's more of a save-ER than a save-EE.
Speculation (and it is purely speculation, so this is guessing not spoiler) is that Asha/Yara will eventually become King of the Iron Islands, but she's going to need Theon's help to become that (as their family is somewhat Pirate/Viking-like and it's voted upon, and she has cousins who are political rivals. Theon holds the potential to be the deciding tipping point vote, so I think his ultimate purpose will be to aid his sister gaining power, with the Iron Islands playing a role in the end game battle against the ice zombie invasion. But, that's pure guess.)
Also, I hope the fact that Jaime got to Kingslanding quicker than in the books doesn't mean there won't be more Jaime/Brienne?
She has a separate storyline in AFFC, but when last seen in Dance, they were in the same scene together... and if I had an answer for what comes after that, I could make bucketloads of money because it's one of the cliffhangers that have people itching to find out "what happened?!"
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Date: 2014-01-14 05:15 pm (UTC)As for Dany, I suppose I took it for granted that she would either die or become queen of Westeros. On balance, dying probably seems more likely.
I am rather hoping for a scene where Melisandre tries to burn her to death and wonders why it doesn't work, though.
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Date: 2014-01-13 07:14 pm (UTC)no subject
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