GOT Finale
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A couple of book things left out of the finale, and Bran way, way deep into the next books (isn't he? I'm afraid that I lose track of where one book ends and another begins. But that seemed to be somewhat A Dance with Dragons(?) ).
Death 1 -
Jojen didn't die in the book, did he? I remember his being near death, but I didn't remember his actually dying. Though I wasn't shocked by their making that choice. It felt like Jojen was GOING to die, so I don't anticipate that he had all that much left to do, so no criticism of that death. (I liked "Meera's'" background acting after it. She continued to look devastated by her brother's death -- which she should be -- even during the Three-Eyed Raven scene.)
"Death" 2+ ... kinda
I liked the addition of the Ygritte funeral. As well as the Pyp and Grenn ones.Still no mention of Mance's wife and baby. Wonder whether that's going to be left out? Tormund is still around (as he should be). And there's Melisendre, Shireen, and Stannis, so everything is set for next year at The Wall.
Death 3
The shepherd they cast did a good job, because by the time he exposed his daughter's bones to Dany I felt like crying. Guess what happens when you train your pets to attack people? They learn that it's okay to attack people. And when the pet in question is a fire breathing dragon, that can lead to terrible things. And still, Dragons crying for "Mom" was painful too.
Undeath 1 and "Death" 4
Well I see they are clarifying what happened to The Mountain Clegane. It was rather murky and thus a tad speculative in the book. So, yep, The Mountain is the Westerosi 'Frankenstein"... how could this not end well (because we all know that it won't).
And then Sandor Clegane. *sniff*
Book Change: It wasn't Brienne who 'done him in' in the book. She searched for him later. This is a change. I wonder whether it will be significant or not? (In the book, I was one who thought that he was not really, most sincerely dead. And I'll remain open to that argument for some time yet.) The Brienne/Sandor fight was epic, mainly because I didn't want either to die (though I knew what happened to Sandor in the book, so... yeah. I was wondering how they were going to separate Arya from Brienne here because it absolutely had to boil down to the same thing for Arya/The Hound where she refused to kill him. And I loved that it retained all of its ambiguity. Oh! And I also loved The Hound claiming he was looking out for Arya. I do think The Hound came to care (in his way) for the fierce little future assassin. May you find peace, Sandor(and hopefully the way a lot of people speculated you did in the book.)
And Arya is off to Braavos. I'm still sort of hoping Jaquen H'dar resurfaces rather than just new characters. I always wanted Jaquen back. Surprised Arya got the final scene though. But more on that later...
Deaths 5 and 6
I believe at one point I said aloud, "Yes, Tywin, Tyrion would totally kill you on the toilet." And I never felt a moment of pity for the controlling asshole. Tywin Lannister needed to die by the hand of one of his own children. Hoisted on his own petard of 'family legacy'. And isn't it weird to confess you wanted Tyrion dead his whole life and then promising you wouldn't have let him be executed? Methinks by that point, Tywin was talking out of his ass... which is rather ironic somethings considered.
Shae's death was always the more difficult one to take. Yes, she testified against Tyrion. And yes, she was in Tywin's bed. But... those are not executable offenses. The scene was subtlely changed from the books. Her grabbing the knife and fighting added some nuance. But it still boils down to a tragedy. The book!Shae never loved Tyrion, but I do believe that Show!Shae once did. And I believe that Tyrion loved her. And all of that is fatally besmirched. He murdered her. Tyrion, truly, is sucks to be you.
Now, about that other change. No fall-out between Jaime/Tyrion???!Jaime doesn't confess the truth that Tysha wasn't a prostitute, that she had loved Tyrion? That Jaime lied at Tywin's command? When Jaime didn't bring it up, I wondered whether Tywin would (because then it could be tied to Shae in Tywin's bed and Shae's murder as well. I could've understood that because it would've seemed very out of the blue to have Jaime/Tyrion speaking about Tysha.) Still, while this change doesn't do anything to the PLOT... it does seem strange to lose that moment where Tyrion lost Jaime too. That was powerful that Tyrion lost everyone. Jaime was the very last person he believed in and Jaime had 'rescued' him... and then Tyrion discovered that Jaime had betrayed him too. So now, Tyrion departs with no acrimony and only thankfullness to Jaime. Huh.
Link to an article of GRRM discussion how all this went down in the book (which makes it seem as though leaving it out left out some important stuff).
Guess Tyrion was never supposed to exact revenge on Jaime (honestly, despite Tyrion's fuming... I never expected Tyrion to avenge himself against Jaime. Cersei? Yeah, that holds a distinct possibility. But I never thought that when push came to shove Tyrion and Jaime would do one another true harm.
Still, maybe this spares us the endless repetition of "Where do whores go?" from drunk Tyrion.
And, I see, in the show Varys got on the ship with Tyrion. Minor change, but who wants Varys to be MIA as long as he is MIA in the book? I can see how Varys could work in some of the early stages of A Dance with Dragons so, again, this makes an understandable change.
And finally, the ending. Odd choice to end it where they did. Um... where the hell was the epilogue?!Undeath 2 - Where's Stoneheart?!! Double spoiler-tagged so you can click on the others and still not be spoiled for the last one.
A couple of book things left out of the finale, and Bran way, way deep into the next books (isn't he? I'm afraid that I lose track of where one book ends and another begins. But that seemed to be somewhat A Dance with Dragons(?) ).
Death 1 -
Jojen didn't die in the book, did he? I remember his being near death, but I didn't remember his actually dying. Though I wasn't shocked by their making that choice. It felt like Jojen was GOING to die, so I don't anticipate that he had all that much left to do, so no criticism of that death. (I liked "Meera's'" background acting after it. She continued to look devastated by her brother's death -- which she should be -- even during the Three-Eyed Raven scene.)
"Death" 2+ ... kinda
I liked the addition of the Ygritte funeral. As well as the Pyp and Grenn ones.
Death 3
The shepherd they cast did a good job, because by the time he exposed his daughter's bones to Dany I felt like crying. Guess what happens when you train your pets to attack people? They learn that it's okay to attack people. And when the pet in question is a fire breathing dragon, that can lead to terrible things. And still, Dragons crying for "Mom" was painful too.
Undeath 1 and "Death" 4
Well I see they are clarifying what happened to The Mountain Clegane. It was rather murky and thus a tad speculative in the book. So, yep, The Mountain is the Westerosi 'Frankenstein"... how could this not end well (because we all know that it won't).
And then Sandor Clegane. *sniff*
Book Change: It wasn't Brienne who 'done him in' in the book. She searched for him later. This is a change. I wonder whether it will be significant or not? (In the book, I was one who thought that he was not really, most sincerely dead. And I'll remain open to that argument for some time yet.) The Brienne/Sandor fight was epic, mainly because I didn't want either to die (though I knew what happened to Sandor in the book, so... yeah. I was wondering how they were going to separate Arya from Brienne here because it absolutely had to boil down to the same thing for Arya/The Hound where she refused to kill him. And I loved that it retained all of its ambiguity. Oh! And I also loved The Hound claiming he was looking out for Arya. I do think The Hound came to care (in his way) for the fierce little future assassin. May you find peace, Sandor
And Arya is off to Braavos. I'm still sort of hoping Jaquen H'dar resurfaces rather than just new characters. I always wanted Jaquen back. Surprised Arya got the final scene though. But more on that later...
Deaths 5 and 6
I believe at one point I said aloud, "Yes, Tywin, Tyrion would totally kill you on the toilet." And I never felt a moment of pity for the controlling asshole. Tywin Lannister needed to die by the hand of one of his own children. Hoisted on his own petard of 'family legacy'. And isn't it weird to confess you wanted Tyrion dead his whole life and then promising you wouldn't have let him be executed? Methinks by that point, Tywin was talking out of his ass... which is rather ironic somethings considered.
Shae's death was always the more difficult one to take. Yes, she testified against Tyrion. And yes, she was in Tywin's bed. But... those are not executable offenses. The scene was subtlely changed from the books. Her grabbing the knife and fighting added some nuance. But it still boils down to a tragedy. The book!Shae never loved Tyrion, but I do believe that Show!Shae once did. And I believe that Tyrion loved her. And all of that is fatally besmirched. He murdered her. Tyrion, truly, is sucks to be you.
Now, about that other change. No fall-out between Jaime/Tyrion???!
Link to an article of GRRM discussion how all this went down in the book (which makes it seem as though leaving it out left out some important stuff).
Guess Tyrion was never supposed to exact revenge on Jaime (honestly, despite Tyrion's fuming... I never expected Tyrion to avenge himself against Jaime. Cersei? Yeah, that holds a distinct possibility. But I never thought that when push came to shove Tyrion and Jaime would do one another true harm.
Still, maybe this spares us the endless repetition of "Where do whores go?" from drunk Tyrion.
And, I see, in the show Varys got on the ship with Tyrion. Minor change, but who wants Varys to be MIA as long as he is MIA in the book? I can see how Varys could work in some of the early stages of A Dance with Dragons so, again, this makes an understandable change.
And finally, the ending. Odd choice to end it where they did. Um... where the hell was the epilogue?!
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Date: 2014-06-17 03:32 pm (UTC)I'd rather say it sucks to be Shae...
I loved how they changed Tyrion/Jaimie/Shae ending from the books. This Tyrion, the show Tyrion, I can still keep. Book Tyrion I could no longer care about, and was very sad about that.
What I hated about bringing up Tysha in the books is that it obscured what Tyrion did to Shae. That it appeared that his grief and rage with Jaimie and Tywin was all about Tysha, while Shae lay there murdered by his own hands, having suffered same fate as Tysha, betrayed and used by Tyrion same way as Tysha - as Tyrion abandoned Tysha after the ordeal Tywin put her through, because she didn't live up to his expectations, if we look at at it point blank.
In the show Shae's killing wasn't deliberate, it was in a fit of rage during the struggle. Tyrion was horrified by it when he came to his senses, and his talk to Tywin was about Shae, not about Tysha. She served same purpose to the plot - Tywin had her to prove to Tyrion (and to himself) that no one could love Tyrion for real, while we knew, and Tyrion knew, that she did. His rage pver calling *her* whore, the real woman right there, not idealized Tysha, moved me much more.
As for fallout with Jaimie - it never played any role in the books, and it was completely out of left field. I'm not complaigning about them being friends, as I'm sure if they would ever meet in the books they would resolve it quickly through some ordeal or other and will be friends again.
Otherwise - so happy that they cut out horrible stuff with Bloody Mummers and Brienne, and streamlined it for her to meet Arya and Hound.
My only regret was that she didnt show Arya that bread that Hot Pie made her... They might have soften Arya up...
Not happy about seeing Zombie!Clegane, as you may guess. :) Well, at least they cut one zombie out - was never fond of Stoneheart.
Zombie!Clegane makes me mad for the same reason as Renly's Shadow baby: why does Martin have to cheat and create some cheesy monsters out of the left field to destroy folks from my camp? :D My camp being Renly-Tyrells, yep, still rooting for them. :)