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[shipperx]

WTF?

No. Seriously. I just don't even understand. I did like that the morality of it isn't clear cut. It's hard to say who is 'better' Jacob or MIB. They seem very old god like in that they are as fallible as anyone else. And they both seem to have their own issues.

But, seriously, WTF?

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[sp23.livejournal.com]

Hee, I just posted that I'm more confused than ever. LOL

[rahirah]

That was all very interesting, but we still don't know exactly what the heart of the island is or does, or why it needs to be guarded, or why people can't leave, or... overall, it just confirms my loathing of people who refuse to tell you what's going on 'for your own good.'

(I did very much like that the morality wasn't clear-cut. If anything, it seems that in the beginning, at least, both Jacob and his brother (what did the poor guy never even get a name? I'm gonna call him Esau) were the hapless pawns of their foster mother, who lied to and manipulated them both.

[nmcil12.livejournal.com]

It was great to finally have a clear history - now we know why all the issues with parents - The Island Guardian - great line to MIB when he kills her and finally sets her free. Anyway, that is how I have seen the roles of Jacob and his brother for a while, that they were imprisoned and MIB entity look for a way to escape. It almost seems like an Underworld Power just wants out.

[prophecygirrl.livejournal.com]

I agree...I felt like Locke when he watched the trainee video at the Swan

"...We're gonna have to watch that again".

But I don't think it will help much.

If I thought they were going for a whole "frak these labels of good and evil, faith vs. science, and determine your own damn future for your own damn self"... I'd love it, but IDEK anymore.

Locke and Jack and Kate = MIB, Jacob, and "Mother Nature/Mom In Grey"? Kate trying to fix what Mom In Grey broke by getting Aaron back to Claire? They're running out of time to explain stuff to me, and there is no button to push to reset the clock.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

"frak these labels of good and evil, faith vs. science, and determine your own damn future for your own damn self

I have to say that at the moment, that's more or less what I think they're saying.

They're repeating certain themes to often for those themes to not be the point. Locke believed that he was chosen/fated whatever only it was a self-created/self-fulfilling prophecy. He believed in some divine plan so hard that he died for it, died thinking "But I don't understand."

We have Ben, so intent on being chosen, special, whatever that he's done heinous things only to discover that he was nothing to his god (Jacob) and had only been toyed with. Ben, who at one time we were led to believe 'knew' is revealed to know no more than anyone else.

Richard came to the island and imbued it with his religious ideas... that didn't quite fit. And he too followed blindly only to become disillusioned. He, who we thought had answers, had none. He was as confused as anyone else.

We have the Temple Folk who also believed, but didn't know what they were believing. They followed rituals and rules, but really, ultimately, what did it serve?

Time and time again, we're presented with people who "know" or at least seem/claim to only to have it revealed that what they 'know' is only how they frame it themselves. They really don't know any more than anyone else.

And now we have the island 'gods', those who have given answers, and now we're shown that they constructed those answers out of their own needs, rationalizations, and bits of things they were told as children.

And who the hell knows what the Mother constructed her belief system out of.

The story seems to be saying that yes, there are things that seem miraculous. Maybe there is such a thing as the divine or god or fate. Maybe. But if anyone tells you they know or understand it, beware. Most of what people believe is to rationalize what they don't understand or to make things make sense to themselves, or to justify their own choices and behavior.

The flipside is the insistence on trusting friends, loved ones, people because that's really the greater meaning. Live together or die alone. Love in the Lost!Verse means something. And if there is salvation to be hand it is in the ties that link people. It's not found in someone who proclaims to know god's great grand plan. That person is most likely an idiot or a charlatan.

[prophecygirrl.livejournal.com]

I agree completely, and I actually like this message quite a bit. At one point, I thought Desmond would be tracking down each survivor in the sideways verse to "wake them up" to the possibilities of their lives by reminding them of someone or something they loved. That's why he didn't care whether Widmore or Smokey took him, because he recognized them as irrelevant. But then he ran Locke over with a car -- did he have to "wake him up" that way because he already had his love in the sideways!verse? Or because he was already dead in island!verse?

And who the hell knows what the Mother constructed her belief system out of. That to me, is the biggest tip off to this message. By adding yet another unexplained back story, the meta seems to be that the back story is not the point. As Mother herself says "All your questions lead only to more questions."

But if I like that message so much, why didn't I like this episode more? Maybe I just need more time to sit with it, or maybe it's the idea that time is running out and I didn't want to spend an hour with people I don't really care that much about.