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[shipperx]

Ran across this quote in a comment thread that was discussing places other than LJ. 

"...Nothing we saw in season 2 of BtVS ever made me think that Angelus would have been anything but an inventive, elegant and sophisticated lover - well, as far as Buffy was concerned in any case..."
 

No comment.

Oh, who am I kidding?  I've got to comment. 

The only folks I could see agreeing with that assessment are Franklin Mott and Drusilla. 

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Elsewhere, read spoilers and it  looks like the Whedonverse comics continue to furiously dig themselves into greater depths of fail.  I kind of respect them for putting this much effort into coming up with new and ever more spectacular ways to suck.  It cannot be easy.  It takes a work ethic, people!   Respect it! 

::Pets Whedonverse Comics::  They're like Chinese Crested puppies.  So ugly they're almost cute.  Never change, Whedonverse.  I'd hate to think there could ever come a time when I could actually underestimate you.  


ETA:   Spoiler (as I understand it which is basically having read a comment about it online):  Turns out in one of the W-guys writing the AtS comics (meaning I don't know the difference between them, so basically 'Not Lynch') has the plot twist that  Spike lost his soul and didn't notice.  A plot that has, of course, been done many times in fanfic.  Though given the overall stupidity of the comics, it's a safe bet that it will not be done well.  Or with any thought given to characterization of anyone...especially not Spike characterization.  Don't know and don't care about the details of it. 

Comments

[sockmonkeyhere.livejournal.com]

I just wonder who are going to be left for Season Nine. I suspect that it might be delusional shippers looking for some verification of their ship, and going OTT at the least hint of it, non-critical Joss fans and others who are just facinated at watching the disaster unfold.

And for the AtS comics, it'll be about four fanboys, who seem to be the only people that IDW is trying to please.

[sockmonkeyhere.livejournal.com]

Dude, remember when the Sparmony desk fuck spoilers came out at Sparklies, and I posted "Crawl up my ass and die, Mutant Enemy, and bring a spoon with you so that you can eat my shit while you're up there"?

IDW, welcome to my buttcrack.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

That's not because Angelus was a sadist. That's because Fred wasn't his OTP, darnit! Just as his raping and murdering Dru doesn't count. Or his raping Holtz's wife repeatedly. Angelus would never do that to his OTP! Don't you understand true love?

Er... now Angelus really is sounding like Franklin Mott.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

LOL! You have quite a way with words.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Here, four fanboys, have 10,000 copies.

[powerofthebook.livejournal.com]

If they were exploring Spike without his soul, it would be one thing. To have him not notice its absence at all, he who worked so hard to gain it and suffered so mightily upon obtaining it, it's quite another.

But to go a step further and have this soulless Spike getting screenwriters to write a prophecy for him, he who his long unlife sneered at prophecies...it's bats**t insane.

To take a mighty leap, cartwheel, and backflip further, to make Spike responsible for the whole Twilight mess through the screenwriters' prophecy, specifying that Angel be the bad guy, Spike come in and save the day and get a specific girl, well, it's kind of like THE FREAKING HELL, JOSS? I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SCREW UP HIS CHARACTER SIX WAYS FROM SUNDAY - COULDN'T YOU HAVE JUST MADE HIM A CENTAUR AND LEFT HIM ALONE?!?

[powerofthebook.livejournal.com]

Shame they didn't meet. They could have traded notes.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I don't think this bad comic is supposed to hook-up with the other bad comic. I think they're two isolated bubbles of batshittery. I think it's Lynch's upcoming comic that's supposed to hook up with the other bad comic and Lynch has said his won't align with W-scribed ones.

Honestly, they should simplify matters and just admit that these comics are ridiculous crap and if you like them, great, but not a lot of thought actually went into them so take them for what they're worth (not much).

(But should the scenario you're describing come about, I can only say that Joss will have limbo-ed beneath my already remarkably low opinion expectations of him which should make him limbo champion of the world!)

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Best course of action. Really.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

If this is an attempt to 'fix' what has already been a total cock-up of characterization then -- whoa! They've now managed to fail twice as hard. Someone somewhere forgot the axiom that the first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging!

[powerofthebook.livejournal.com]

If it's not supposed to hook up with the Season Eight comics, then we might be spared this scenario. Someone on BuffyForums posted some of the dialogue, with Spike asking the screenwriters to give Angel some "poncey name like Dusk, or Sunset..."

I guess it just makes me nervous, considering how little explanation we've gotten for everything in both comics, how out-of-character everyone is, and Spike's tendency to get the crap end of the stick. To make Spike responsible for the whole Twilight debacle, and in such a manner...there are no words. (non-four-letter ones, anyway)

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Given the DH/IDW snit fest and one of the W's online hissyfit against DH's douche, I guess I could see that happening.

Boy, they're all just a cesspool of suck, aren't they?

[infinitewhale.livejournal.com]

Oh definitely. I mean, above all, it's just so damned lame. A whole world of possibilities and they go the soul/unsouled route. Of course if they were good writers they wouldn't need to "fix" anything to begin with...

To me it's just an offshoot, though. It's not even comic canon, like you said below. Even IDW seems to have sorta pushed this aside in that regard, so I guess I can just shrug it off and go with them admitting a fail instead of blaming fans like they have been for the last few years.

[rahirah]

Hey, he scattered rose petals all over Jenny. Tell me that's not sophisticated and romantic!

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Back in the dark ages, I watched Days of Our Lives and there came a point where they retconned three years of storyline out of existence for my favorite couple. It was really, really sucky writing, but it was amusing watching them have to tapdance around three years of plot that aired on the show.

I guess it's kind of like when AMC's Greenlee kidnapped Kendal's child and drove him off a cliff... and yet Kendal apologized to Greenlee for having been pissed off with her because of it. Or the fact that GH's Sonny shot his pregnant wife in the head. Or that OLTL's Todd Manning was the leader of Marty's gang rape and not the 'nice one' (which was more WTF than I could handle).

The audience isn't supposed to remember that stuff or believe their lying eyes.

And, unfortunately, powerofthebook's scenario sounds all too plausible. I wasn't overly impressed with the 'maturity' shown in the IDW/DH snitfit when the Twilight reveal came about and I really wouldn't put it past IDW to give that sort of shout-out to Season 8's crazypants shark-jumping 'plot'.

[rahirah]

I regard Lynch the way I regard a lot of well-written fanfic: it may not be exactly 'my' Spike, but it's plenty close enough to be an enjoyable read.

[infinitewhale.livejournal.com]

I don't like what it could be hinting at myself. Especially since it would explain how Spike knows all about it, even more than Giles and seems to know who's who right off.

[fenderlove.livejournal.com]

The only OTP I know of is Spike/Drusilla. Their love is so chained-to-the-bed-yay! Oh, and Fred/Spike and Angel/Spike fill me with squee as well... and can also be chained to the bed. XD

Unfortunately, I have the sinking suspicion that Dru is going to be making an appearance in S9 from recent comments by Jeanty and that makes me have a sad.

I'm going to write a fic with Spike having a Chinese Crested as a pet now. XD

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I don't know. I haven't been impressed with either comic book company's ability to assess what they've done. They seem more invested in defending their complete crappiness.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

It would figure if it happened.

It wouldn't help anything that's already spectacularly stupid in Season 8. It wouldn't make Twangel any less batshit crazy (actually it would make him moreso if he actually did all this shit based on a fake, hollywood penned 'prophecy' cooked up by a soulless Spike. How damned stupid is Angel supposed to be anyway? it wouldn't make Twangel any less selfish to screw the world. Nor would it ammeliorate any of Buffy's nuttiness along the way. It would basically just extend the suck even further in the already sucky comics... which is why I can't dismiss it. If they've got this much fail in them already, no reason not to spread it around equally.)

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Pretty much, this. There were things I could quibble over but it wasn't so awful that I'm made to wonder why anyone ever thought they might be a good idea... which seems to be where the rest of the comics are going.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Oh. I know. There are a ton of interesting storylines that could be done with Spike losing his soul. It's just that given the overal 'qualilty' of the comics, I feel its a safe bet that this isn't one of those storylines.

And given the fact that this particular comic is already so full of absolutely terrible characterization, I don't think that it was a plot dreamed up based in exploring Spike's psyche or emotional landscape so much as to make him the butt of a joke (and if powerofthebook's speculation below proves true, for W to make Season 8 a butt of his joke with W shooting a metaphorical bird at Joss's equally lazy comic.)

And I'm back to wondering... how are these people professionals?

[infinitewhale.livejournal.com]

Certainly wouldn't explain the character fails, but that's all assuming that DH thinks they are character fails. Given the way some of the PTB talk, they actually seem to think it's in character. They might do something to explain Buffy's OOCness since there were slight hints in some issues that something was off with her, but I don't know about Angel. According to spoilers, he disappears pretty quickly to take care of stuff.

I don't even know anymore. I used to try to at least see what they might have been trying to say with all of it, but with the news that Joss can't even be bothered to write the thing by himself, I'm convinced they're just throwing shit out there and are just now trying to tie it all together and that's what all this Spike backstory is.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

So, in summary, it's half-assed crap and the people in charge are flailing trying not to accept that oh-so-obvious truth.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Oh good grief. Can't they leave anyone alone?