*snort* LOL! (Time and Distance Allow Laughter)

[shipperx]

I09 Posts its 100 favorite Tweets about Last Sunday's Game of Thrones

A sampling:

Hello everyone just arriving at the Game of Thrones despair meeting. We've been waiting for you...

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Folks watching #gameofthrones who didn't read the books: remember when your really nerdy friend was super sad 13 years ago? This is why.

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Always hire union minstrels.#GameOfThrones

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My mom is watching game of thrones and has been yelling no at the tv for 5 minutes

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Game of Thrones can go fuck itself 20 times in the face with a fork.

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I see they finally revealed that Darth Vader is Luke's father on Game of Thrones...

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If something AWFUL...I mean WRETCHED..doesn't happen to a Lannister next week (NOT Tyrion!) I'm done.

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Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use twitter? Because he killed all 140 characters. #gameofthrones

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I LOVE THIS SHOW AND I LOVE THE BOOKS BUT I HATE THEM TOO AND I WANT TO BURN THEM AND PUKE ON THEIR ASHES. #GameOfThrones

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Game of Thrones just collected every mic on the planet and dropped them. Good god.

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I'm now emotionally eating thanks to #gameofthrones . Thanks for the lovehandles, George R.R. Martin.

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Game of Thrones should be renamed "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck"


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Comments

[nutmeg3.livejournal.com]

<< Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use twitter? Because he killed all 140 characters. #gameofthrones >>

I need this on an icon. Need.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

If Photoshop hadn't been wiped out by a virus on my computer last year, I'd make one for you.

[bogwitch.livejournal.com]

Am I the only who wasn't that bothered (or terribly suprised)?

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Honestly, it was pretty well set-up in the story why this would happen. I think we're just so conditioned to protagonist privilege that despite the clues they still didn't think it would happen. (Though Stannis name-checking Robb should have been a clue that Martin et. al were dropping evil portents of doom.)

[queenofattolia.livejournal.com]

See, I don't understand all this wailing and rending of garments. Yeah, I was spoiled, but I've also been paying attention to the TV story, and it's been more than obvious throughout the series that everyone named Stark is born under a bad sign, even the smart ones (Arya and Bran).

Add that to their general cluelessness and willful "noble" stupidity, plus the fact that everyone around them hates them, and it's a recipe for impending disaster and certain death. Good grief. Ned had his head chopped off, for God's sake. Wasn't that a little hint about the fate of most of the Starks?

Yeah, I cringed during the Red Wedding, but I wasn't sad about it at all. Robb was a willful idiot, Talisa was annoying, and Catelyn...well.

I still like Roose Bolton AND Tywin Lannister much more than all Starks except Arya and Bran.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I tend to think it's largely due to protagonist privilege. How many 'heroes' do massively dumb things but survive by right of being the 'hero'?

As Martin himself said in EW, the most natural expected fit for 'hero' after Ned died was his oldest son. In the book, there was at least the fact that Robb was NEVER a POV character (which sort of sidelined him quite a bit). In the show this isn't quite as obvious and he does fit the traditional mould...

People are rather well-trained by tropes and hero protagonist privilege, so even though all the clues are THERE, there's a tendency to wilfully ignore them.

[silverusagi]

I tend to think it's largely due to protagonist privilege. How many 'heroes' do massively dumb things but survive by right of being the 'hero'?

This is very true. It is nice for there to be consequences for being dumb for once.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

It's actually one of the things I like about the books...that GRRM doesn't give in to the protagonist privilege conceit.

In the first episode of Game of Thrones, S1, Ned Stark, oh-so-nobly chops off a terrified man's head. The man's crime is he ran from The Wall, screaming about how they are doomed. Instead of listening to him - Ned executes him - in front of his sons. Ned also considers killing the Direwolf pups that they find, with the dead direwolf mare (again not really questioning why the Direwolf is so far South below the Wall), but Robb and Jon Snow talk him out of it.

It's interesting that all three sons that he takes with him to witness the execution - are hurt in some way. Also, later, Robb decides to chop off/execute Lord Karstark for killing the two Lannister boys (son's of Kevin Lannister). Karstark had killed the boys, because Jamie had killed his son in battle.

There's a pattern emerging. No one is pristine in this war or noble. But we want people to be noble and heroic in War, we don't want to think that no one is. In GRRM's books - no one is noble in WAR, or heroic. WAR is WAR.
There is no happy ending. Which is uncommon for most fantasy novels.

Later...when Robb's death is discussed. It is pointed out all things he did wrong - he slighted the Frey's, not once but twice, and his family had before him (Walder Frey is reluctant to take Catelynne's deal because he'd been slighted before by the Starks and by Catelynne's family in this regard, but she talks him into it, only to have Robb go off and marry Tailsa.)
He is fighting a War, trying to be King, but he doesn't think like a King or take the responsibilities of one. He doesn't keep his promises - to his supporters or allies.

[silverusagi]

All very true. There is no noble side, because war is war, and war is dirty.

And yeah, Robb so did not take responsibility like a king.

[petzipellepingo.livejournal.com]

I don't watch the show so I'm finding all of this hilarious. Plus you know all these people that are having hissy fits will be counting the days until next Season...

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Episode if It Had Happened on Facebook Summary (LOL!)
http://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9

[molly_may]

I don't watch the show, but I did enjoy this "commentary" at The Onion: Oh Shit, I Totally Forgot That Happens!

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

The funniest bit about that...is Martin is still writing the books, one would hope he remembers the events better than we do?

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Episode 9... If it had happened on Facebook (LOL!)
http://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9

[hobbituk.livejournal.com]

I haven't read the books and didn't really watch this after they killed off Sean Bean...so I have no idea what the fuss is about!

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Heh.

They took out 3 major characters (and most of their army) in one bloody ambush.

Which, honestly, they should be grateful that it didn't play like it did in the novel where they faked out the reader to think the massacre most probably included a 4th character who is a huge fan favorite. (That situation still strikes me as one of the most cruel twists ever played on a character. It's brutal. No wonder she goes a bit psycho after that).

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

most probably included a 4th character who is a huge fan favorite. (That situation still strikes me as one of the most cruel twists ever played on a character. It's brutal. No wonder she goes a bit psycho after that).

That was only reason I found it upsetting in the books and series, as did a lot of other people I know.

Also...keep in mind this poor character had to go through this ordeal more than once, actually quite a few times...she wasn't exactly playing with a full deck when this happened.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Oh I know. Poor Arya has spent two entire BOOKS trying to reach her family and when she finally does they're all but slaughtered before her eyes.

Poor Arya. That's just brutal.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Heh.

Episode Summary "If it had happened on Facebook..."
http://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Unless of course you found Robb and Catelynn Stark annoying and thought, oh okay, good, I don't have to read about them anymore. But that was a bit gory...couldn't they have just died by arrow?

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I actually had affection for Catelyn. Yes, she was awful to Jon Snow (and even if I don't like him, he was a baby. She should have been able to love a baby), but other than that, I 'got' her. Her child was crippled by the Lannisters then nearly assassinated (she wrongly thinks by Tyrion, but it was by a Lannister so she wasn't that far off). She hadn't gone to the inn to capture Tyrion but it was sort of a clusterf--- of happenstance. She honored her word and set him free after the trial. Her husband was murdered. Her elderly, beloved father was senile and slowly dying and she was haunted by all the terrible things that gone down. Then her two youngest boys are murdered.

She was far from perfect, but she had a shitload of crap fall on her from the moment Ned decided to take Robert's job offer. Having her eldest murdered was more than she could take.

Robb... I honestly never much cared. In the show he was very handsome. In the book (because he's never a POV character) he's a cipher. Still, he was just a naive kid (in the books).

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Oh Catelyn grew on me...and from a descriptive view, she was a moral upstanding character. But unfortunately deathly boring to read. I went to sleep during Catelynn's chapters. Davos has the same problem - morally upstanding but deathly dull. This is a fault in the writing, I think.
You can write nice and morally upstanding characters and make them interesting...not grating to the point that you want to spork them with a fork. Granted you might feel guilty about wanting to spork them...

[angearia.livejournal.com]

I think that's a huge benefit for the TV show, though, since what's too much when it's a story told through these characters POVs is diluted by the ensemble.

Davos in particular works incredibly well alongside Stannis and Melisandre in the TV series, whereas I was bored by him in the books. Of course, it helps that the actor who plays him is incredibly charismatic. Same for Ser Jorah (not as a POV character, but in how a charismatic actor changes the dynamic so that I actually ~want to ship Dany/Jorah a bit).

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Quite true. The casting of GoT has helped a great deal. Characters that were boring or grating in the books - have become interesting and mesmerizing due to casting.

Davos in particular, but this is also true - of Melisandra, definitely of Stannis, Bran (and everyone with him - the guy playing Hodor is amazing, as are Jojen and Mereen), Theon (okay maybe not - that character just isn't salvagable nor is Ramsey Snow or Daario for that matter - no matter who they cast), Margery (Natalie Dormier), Sansa, Little Finger (the great Aiden - who was in The Wire), and Jorah Mormount..

I agree, I am shipping Jorah/Dany, and I did not ship them in the books at all.

Whoever is casting this thing deserves an award. Best Cast Series Ever.