*snort* LOL! (Time and Distance Allow Laughter)

[shipperx]

I09 Posts its 100 favorite Tweets about Last Sunday's Game of Thrones

A sampling:

Hello everyone just arriving at the Game of Thrones despair meeting. We've been waiting for you...

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Folks watching #gameofthrones who didn't read the books: remember when your really nerdy friend was super sad 13 years ago? This is why.

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Always hire union minstrels.#GameOfThrones

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My mom is watching game of thrones and has been yelling no at the tv for 5 minutes

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Game of Thrones can go fuck itself 20 times in the face with a fork.

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I see they finally revealed that Darth Vader is Luke's father on Game of Thrones...

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If something AWFUL...I mean WRETCHED..doesn't happen to a Lannister next week (NOT Tyrion!) I'm done.

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Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use twitter? Because he killed all 140 characters. #gameofthrones

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I LOVE THIS SHOW AND I LOVE THE BOOKS BUT I HATE THEM TOO AND I WANT TO BURN THEM AND PUKE ON THEIR ASHES. #GameOfThrones

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Game of Thrones just collected every mic on the planet and dropped them. Good god.

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I'm now emotionally eating thanks to #gameofthrones . Thanks for the lovehandles, George R.R. Martin.

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Game of Thrones should be renamed "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck"


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Comments

[queenofattolia.livejournal.com]

See, I don't understand all this wailing and rending of garments. Yeah, I was spoiled, but I've also been paying attention to the TV story, and it's been more than obvious throughout the series that everyone named Stark is born under a bad sign, even the smart ones (Arya and Bran).

Add that to their general cluelessness and willful "noble" stupidity, plus the fact that everyone around them hates them, and it's a recipe for impending disaster and certain death. Good grief. Ned had his head chopped off, for God's sake. Wasn't that a little hint about the fate of most of the Starks?

Yeah, I cringed during the Red Wedding, but I wasn't sad about it at all. Robb was a willful idiot, Talisa was annoying, and Catelyn...well.

I still like Roose Bolton AND Tywin Lannister much more than all Starks except Arya and Bran.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I tend to think it's largely due to protagonist privilege. How many 'heroes' do massively dumb things but survive by right of being the 'hero'?

As Martin himself said in EW, the most natural expected fit for 'hero' after Ned died was his oldest son. In the book, there was at least the fact that Robb was NEVER a POV character (which sort of sidelined him quite a bit). In the show this isn't quite as obvious and he does fit the traditional mould...

People are rather well-trained by tropes and hero protagonist privilege, so even though all the clues are THERE, there's a tendency to wilfully ignore them.

[silverusagi]

I tend to think it's largely due to protagonist privilege. How many 'heroes' do massively dumb things but survive by right of being the 'hero'?

This is very true. It is nice for there to be consequences for being dumb for once.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

It's actually one of the things I like about the books...that GRRM doesn't give in to the protagonist privilege conceit.

In the first episode of Game of Thrones, S1, Ned Stark, oh-so-nobly chops off a terrified man's head. The man's crime is he ran from The Wall, screaming about how they are doomed. Instead of listening to him - Ned executes him - in front of his sons. Ned also considers killing the Direwolf pups that they find, with the dead direwolf mare (again not really questioning why the Direwolf is so far South below the Wall), but Robb and Jon Snow talk him out of it.

It's interesting that all three sons that he takes with him to witness the execution - are hurt in some way. Also, later, Robb decides to chop off/execute Lord Karstark for killing the two Lannister boys (son's of Kevin Lannister). Karstark had killed the boys, because Jamie had killed his son in battle.

There's a pattern emerging. No one is pristine in this war or noble. But we want people to be noble and heroic in War, we don't want to think that no one is. In GRRM's books - no one is noble in WAR, or heroic. WAR is WAR.
There is no happy ending. Which is uncommon for most fantasy novels.

Later...when Robb's death is discussed. It is pointed out all things he did wrong - he slighted the Frey's, not once but twice, and his family had before him (Walder Frey is reluctant to take Catelynne's deal because he'd been slighted before by the Starks and by Catelynne's family in this regard, but she talks him into it, only to have Robb go off and marry Tailsa.)
He is fighting a War, trying to be King, but he doesn't think like a King or take the responsibilities of one. He doesn't keep his promises - to his supporters or allies.

[silverusagi]

All very true. There is no noble side, because war is war, and war is dirty.

And yeah, Robb so did not take responsibility like a king.